Nac 202

Posted by: John Weir on 22 November 2015

I have just purchased a used nac 202 to complement my Nap 200 driving Pmc ob1i's from a unitiserve n dac source.
The previous owner was using it with a hicap which he had sold already
Given that my present setup sounds very good, what benefits might a hicap bring?
Posted on: 22 November 2015 by hungryhalibut

It simply sounds miles better. But before thinking about a Hicap, get a napsc. 

Posted on: 22 November 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

John welcome to the classic NACs .. The HiCap (DR) certainly helps let the 202 portray more nuance and detail. As HH says additionally using  the NAPSC psu for the control logic /circuitry seems to smooth the 202 out further..

BUT if you are enjoying now.. Then carry on, none of these upgrades are mandatory.

Simon

 

Posted on: 22 November 2015 by John Willmott

+1 Simon.

 

John .. Simon's advice is well worth following.  Spend time to get to know and enjoy your current system.  The addition of a NAPSC at some time in the future to be followed later by a HiCap will just make the experience all the more enjoyable.  

 

It's a long long road .. no sense in rushing it.

Posted on: 22 November 2015 by John Weir
Thanks for your prompt replies
My current amplification is a huge
Improvement on my previous Linn Kairn, LK85 Aktiv Keilidh system
I am hearing stuff on my music never heard before its so foot tappingly good
It's particularly good on rock music
I will see if I can get a demo of hicap. I think I am suffering from upgraditis
Posted on: 22 November 2015 by hungryhalibut

As I said above, the napsc is the first thing to get. If you look around you can find them for under £200 used. It makes the amplifier far nicer to listen to, in fact I wouldn't have a 202 without one. I would say that the napsc was pretty much essential, whereas the Hicap is optional. I'd give the amp a couple of months. Get used to how it sounds, then you will really know what the napsc and Hicap bring to the party. 

Posted on: 22 November 2015 by John Weir
Thanks HH
I will aim to get the napsc in the new year
Posted on: 22 November 2015 by Scooot
I didn't really know the benefit of adding a hicap as I bought the 202/hicap/napsc at the same time.
What I can say is when I changed the hicap for a dr version there was a marked improvement.
So when the time comes for your hicap purchase try and get a dr version if funds permit.
Enjoy.

Scott
Posted on: 22 November 2015 by hungryhalibut

That's the spirit. It's always worth giving James at Tom Tom a call, as he often has napscs looking for a new home. When you get it, put it on the floor as far from the system as its leads will allow. 

Posted on: 22 November 2015 by Jude2012

Another option to demo when ready, is a NAP200 DR, depending on future ambitions and intentions on the number of boxes (should be a similar cost as a HICap DR with trade-in if the existing 200).

 

Jude 

Posted on: 22 November 2015 by MDS
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

That's the spirit. It's always worth giving James at Tom Tom a call, as he often has napscs looking for a new home. When you get it, put it on the floor as far from the system as its leads will allow. 

Er, while I'd agree with HH about getting a Napsc, I'd go the other way on placement.  With my Napsc I heard a performance improvement by lifting it from the carpet and putting it on the main rack, and from plugging into the dedicated mains circuit. Both free upgrades. 

 

Mike

 

  

Posted on: 22 November 2015 by hungryhalibut

Indeed. It's something to experiment with for oneself. 

Posted on: 22 November 2015 by John Weir
The only room I have left on my rack would be next to my unitiserve
I've got loads of floor space lol
Posted on: 22 November 2015 by Erich

John,

 

I had a 202/200 and did exactly what HH is telling above and I am very happy I followed those steps.

I just moved to a different kit and both PS's are part of the new config.

 

Regards.

Erich

 

Posted on: 22 November 2015 by John Weir
You gone nac 282 Erich?
Posted on: 22 November 2015 by Erich
Originally Posted by John Weir:
You gone nac 282 Erich?

John,

 

That was my first idea (282), then explored 272/200>250, and after "drinking plenty of head broth" I decided to go the 252/250 route.

 

When I went 202/200 I was clear that I preferred separate boxes and when I decided to upgrade that was also important. 

 

The problem I have is that where I live it's impossible to audition alternatives coz dealers have a very limited stock in demo.

 

Regards.

Erich

Posted on: 22 November 2015 by John Weir
Wow that's a big jump Erich
You will be well satisfied now


For a while ha ha
Posted on: 22 November 2015 by Erich
Originally Posted by John Weir:
Wow that's a big jump Erich
You will be well satisfied now


For a while ha ha

John,

I really enjoyed the 202/200 and up to a few weeks ago I never thought to change it. Now I'm happy with what I have, not thinking in a new jump but always some upgrades could be possible.

Regards.

Erich

Posted on: 22 November 2015 by mikapoh

When I first bought my Nac202, the Napsc was without a doubt included in my order. It is a no brainer to me to have it paired with Nac202.  I would not be surprised some will chime in to tempt you a Nac282 or Nac252 upgrade but I got to tell you 202/200 is a great amplifier in its own right. At least it deserved to be in your listening room for as long as you enjoy. TBH, I derived great enjoyment from my previous 202/Napsc/HCDR/200. If upgrade is inevitable along the road, 2 options become available, ie Hicap DR or send Nap200 for DR upgrade.

 

Lets enjoy what the entry level classic combo can bring to the party. 

 

 

 

Posted on: 22 November 2015 by analogmusic

are you using the DIN interconnect between NDAC and 202?

 

agree that NAPSC is a very good add on to the 202, and now running my 202/200 bare without HCDR and it sounds really fine to me (the HCDR is with my 282). couldn't really think it needed anything more, and in fact, it could easily be all the amp/system (with NDAC) you ever need, it has the classic Naim exciting and dynamic sound about it.

 

enjoy the music.

 

Posted on: 22 November 2015 by b_lund

At a fraction of price you could get a used Nac 72

it doesn't need  napsc

it has no remote but that sound is good

Posted on: 22 November 2015 by nickpeacock
The forum folks are right - you need napsc/HCDR. But the napsc is my personal bête noire in the naim line-up. It's the wrong size, and it really needs its own powerline. It'll take you till 252 until you can get rid of the wretched thing I'm afraid...
Posted on: 22 November 2015 by Christopher_M

No Napsc angst here :-)     It's lovely on a bare 202/ 200. I think it should be included with the Nac202 but can understand why it isn't.

 

Chris

Posted on: 23 November 2015 by John Weir
Hi Analoguemusic,
I don't have a din to din cable The SNAIC I have is the wrong pin configuration I am having to use a chord RCA to din
I expect Naim will make a SNAIC to fit ndac to 202
Posted on: 23 November 2015 by hungryhalibut

The wire between the ndac and 202 is not a snaic. It's a standard interconnect. Naim make a din to din interconnect, or there are the posher hiline or super lumina variants. You should use din to din if possible. 

Posted on: 23 November 2015 by analogmusic

+1 to HH

 

you will not get the best of the NDAC or the 202 without a din interconnect, even with a Hicap.