Nac 202

Posted by: John Weir on 22 November 2015

I have just purchased a used nac 202 to complement my Nap 200 driving Pmc ob1i's from a unitiserve n dac source.
The previous owner was using it with a hicap which he had sold already
Given that my present setup sounds very good, what benefits might a hicap bring?
Posted on: 23 November 2015 by Richard Dane

John, your Naim DAC would have come with a Naim interconnect as standard in the box (Grey lead with a 180 degree DIN5 at each end).   Unless moving up to a Hiline or Super Lumina i/c then use this grey lead as it's a lot better than its rather prosaic looks might lead to suspect.

Posted on: 23 November 2015 by John Weir
Don't recall getting an interconnect with my Ndac which I've had for 4 years
I will fish the box out of the loft and have another look
I used it with a Linn preamp when I first got it using an RCA to RCA lead
Posted on: 23 November 2015 by Richard Dane

The interconnect came in the same sealed plastic bag as the link plug and manual.

Posted on: 23 November 2015 by Felix H
Originally Posted by nickpeacock:
The forum folks are right - you need napsc/HCDR. But the napsc is my personal bête noire in the naim line-up. It's the wrong size, and it really needs its own powerline. 

Hi nickpeacock: So what do you miss in the sonic presentation if you use the standard power lead instead of a powerline on the Napsc? I mean, napsc+pl is like a 40% increase to the price of a 202 preamp...

Posted on: 23 November 2015 by MDS
Originally Posted by Felix H:
Originally Posted by nickpeacock:
The forum folks are right - you need napsc/HCDR. But the napsc is my personal bête noire in the naim line-up. It's the wrong size, and it really needs its own powerline. 

Hi nickpeacock: So what do you miss in the sonic presentation if you use the standard power lead instead of a powerline on the Napsc? I mean, napsc+pl is like a 40% increase to the price of a 202 preamp...

I can only speak from my experience of using a 282 but when my dealer popped round one evening and said let's try a Powerline on the Napsc we were both stunned at the immediate and obvious performance improvement.  Yes a PL costs more than a Naspc but the performance improvement was worth the outlay.  I don't know if the effect would be the same on a Napsc powering the control section of a 202, and the economics would look harder to justify, but always worth try if, like me, your dealer is prepared to loan you a Powerline before making any financial commitment.

 

BTW, that was my first experience of a Powerline and it was so positive that I now have five of them 

 

Mike 

Posted on: 23 November 2015 by nickpeacock
A powerline on the napsc; it shouldn't work, should it? But, like so many naim things, it does.
So, buy a second hand one. And, when you upgrade to 252, you can get rid of that nasty little malformed napsc box winking away at you AND sell the powerline for the same price you paid for it - hurrah! Double whammy!
Posted on: 24 November 2015 by John Weir
I have found my Naim din to din interconnect As its never been used before I expect will need some run in time before it sounds at its best
I have just connected it and it sounds fine
Posted on: 24 November 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Originally Posted by nickpeacock:
A powerline on the napsc; it shouldn't work, should it? But, like so many naim things, it does.
So, buy a second hand one. And, when you upgrade to 252, you can get rid of that nasty little malformed napsc box winking away at you AND sell the powerline for the same price you paid for it - hurrah! Double whammy!

I suspect it might be something to do with the earthing, and the difference between the two leads changes things.. We do know how sensitive the NACs are to earthing arrangements. If this is so, I suspect the effects will vary from system to system. Certainly when I tried a PL on my NAPSC with my 282 I could hear not notable difference at all.

Simon

 

Posted on: 24 November 2015 by ClaudeP
Originally Posted by Erich:
That was my first idea (282), then explored 272/200>250, and after "drinking plenty of head broth" I decided to go the 252/250 route.

Hi Erich

 

I understand what you mean. I had 102/250.1 and after a careful listen I upgraded directly to 252/300. I know that many people in the Forum seem to love the 282, but for me the gap in tonal accuracy and musicality between the 252 and the 282 was spectacular.

 

I've still to hear a 272 and I can't comment on it, but IMO you should be very happy with your decision.

 

Claude

 

 

Posted on: 25 November 2015 by catalinmetal
Originally Posted by MDS:
Originally Posted by Felix H:
Originally Posted by nickpeacock:
The forum folks are right - you need napsc/HCDR. But the napsc is my personal bête noire in the naim line-up. It's the wrong size, and it really needs its own powerline. 

Hi nickpeacock: So what do you miss in the sonic presentation if you use the standard power lead instead of a powerline on the Napsc? I mean, napsc+pl is like a 40% increase to the price of a 202 preamp...

I can only speak from my experience of using a 282 but when my dealer popped round one evening and said let's try a Powerline on the Napsc we were both stunned at the immediate and obvious performance improvement.  Yes a PL costs more than a Naspc but the performance improvement was worth the outlay.  I don't know if the effect would be the same on a Napsc powering the control section of a 202, and the economics would look harder to justify, but always worth try if, like me, your dealer is prepared to loan you a Powerline before making any financial commitment.

 

BTW, that was my first experience of a Powerline and it was so positive that I now have five of them 

 

Mike 

given the fact that NAPSC power only the control circuits, i find this very hard to believe that by adding the powerline (or for that matter ANY other decent power chord) on a NAPSC did anything to the sound, other than pure placebo (not the band, mind you)

 

at least, for the 202, the circuit board has been deliberately "hi-jacked" by Naim to have a slightly loose power schematics... all that NAPSC does, is to close the power circuit correctly!!! and, of course, in this case, there should be a difference (gounding and voltage has an important impact in sound)

 

but changing the powerchord to this (merely) a jumper (of about 4-500 eur )... well, if they sell it, some must purchase it...

Posted on: 25 November 2015 by MDS
Originally Posted by catalinmetal:
Originally Posted by MDS:
Originally Posted by Felix H:
Originally Posted by nickpeacock:
The forum folks are right - you need napsc/HCDR. But the napsc is my personal bête noire in the naim line-up. It's the wrong size, and it really needs its own powerline. 

Hi nickpeacock: So what do you miss in the sonic presentation if you use the standard power lead instead of a powerline on the Napsc? I mean, napsc+pl is like a 40% increase to the price of a 202 preamp...

I can only speak from my experience of using a 282 but when my dealer popped round one evening and said let's try a Powerline on the Napsc we were both stunned at the immediate and obvious performance improvement.  Yes a PL costs more than a Naspc but the performance improvement was worth the outlay.  I don't know if the effect would be the same on a Napsc powering the control section of a 202, and the economics would look harder to justify, but always worth try if, like me, your dealer is prepared to loan you a Powerline before making any financial commitment.

 

BTW, that was my first experience of a Powerline and it was so positive that I now have five of them 

 

Mike 

given the fact that NAPSC power only the control circuits, i find this very hard to believe that by adding the powerline (or for that matter ANY other decent power chord) on a NAPSC did anything to the sound, other than pure placebo (not the band, mind you)

 

at least, for the 202, the circuit board has been deliberately "hi-jacked" by Naim to have a slightly loose power schematics... all that NAPSC does, is to close the power circuit correctly!!! and, of course, in this case, there should be a difference (gounding and voltage has an important impact in sound)

 

but changing the powerchord to this (merely) a jumper (of about 4-500 eur )... well, if they sell it, some must purchase it...

catalinmetal - I too thought it unlikely, given what the Naspc does. But my ears told me otherwise and in matters of hi-fi and music my ears have the final say.  Having said that, the Napsc controls the relays in the 282 and the stability of those relays must have the potential to affect the signal path so maybe there is a logical explanation.

Mike   

Posted on: 25 November 2015 by Naimiac
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

 

BUT if you are enjoying now.. Then carry on, none of these upgrades are mandatory.

Simon

 

 

If a Naim product needed a mandatory upgrade it would be, well, weird.

 

Posted on: 25 November 2015 by Naimiac
Originally Posted by analogmusic:

 

you will not get the best of the NDAC or the 202 without a din interconnect, even with a Hicap.

 

 

Also sprach. Wouldn't it be safer to first conduct a series of tests - preferably blind ones - to verify such assumptions (that only suggest the possibility that RCA sockets are so faulted in a Naim unit to audibly sound so worse than DIN ones not to be bettered even by a HiCap) instead of perpetrating this audio folklore in saecula saeculorum?

 

Nothing personal, but have you listened to an RCA-connected Naim pre/power? Were you able to tell, without knowing, it was connected 'the wrong way'? Everybody knows the story about RCA plugs not having the 'correct' impedance for audio, and we all love DIN cords, but I would like to know how many here would be able to distinguish a DIN to DIN HiLine from an RCA to RCA one, in a blind test.

 

But, as I have learned here and elsewhere, blind tests have been proved fallacious, while biased perception is considered sovereign..

 

 

N