Yes, 140mm legs. Anything else? Well yes, get a 250DR. It's so much better than the 200, and your speakers will thank you. The bronze spikes can come later: they cost £100 each and that money will go a long way to the better amplifier. 

Ah, blownaway, I see that you have SF Guarneri Memento speakers.  They are one of my all time favourite music makers (as opposed to being great hifi makers).

Delicate, small, sweet and beautiful treasures, aren't they!

They also appreciate a large dose of powerful control from the power amp that drives them.

They revel in the grip and grunt that a pair of NAP135s offer (based on my experience).

They may not revel quite so much on the end of a NAP200.  In your position, I would try before committing, if at all possible.

Having driven SF Guarneri Mementos with a Naim 32.5/hicap2/135 amplifier, I have a sneaking suspicion that a 72/HicapDR/135 would sound more musical than a 272/200DR when driving those Mementoes.

This suggestion does go against conventional wisdom of source (i.e. pre-amp) first, but is based on experience of driving SF Guarneri Mementos with several Naim amps.

I have not done a back-to-back comparison of a run-in 250DR versus recently serviced NAP135, though I have heard both power amps on several occasions.  Based on this, I would cautiously suggest that a NAP250DR is the minimum Naim power amp to properly drive Guarneri Mementos.

Best regards, FT

It was I that got all this sorted out years ago with Glasgow when the Radikal first came out as the LP12 sounds really good on a Fraim IMHHO. Both male and female right angled connectors for Radikal and Urika are freely available and no soldering is involved when making the changeover. The Neutrik plug allows the cable exit to be angled at 45 degrees or 90 degrees either way. This is great for cable dressing at the back of a Fraim allowing one to avoid Burndies, SNAICS or Hi-Lines, this giving a better sound.

Additionally, please keep the Radikal away from the larger Naim power supplies on a Fraim as it will sound better, and if you want to get an even better sound....... then with the Akurate version of the Radikal, the Naim Powerline fits despite it's bulbous IEC connector and sounds fab. Sadly the Powerline IEC is too big for a Klimax box, so one must look elsewhere for a power cable upgrade.............

KR

Peter

Thanks I'll weigh that out.

Thanks for the advice Foot tapper, I sold my Guarnari Mementos & ARC gear recently.  I posted a thread few pages back re my new system called " Wilson Sabrina w/ NAC N-272 & NAP 200 DR" .  I'm just about to order my new system.  

Thanks Peter, I think the Fraim frame is great.  For my budget and the desired look I'm after the SV2T works better for me.  I imagine the Fraim stand performs best, but prefer the smaller footprint the SV2T affords. 

It's better than great! Personally if you are looking to trim the budget and can manage the footprint (which is only a little bigger), I'd mix Fraim and Fraimlite - Nothing in the rule book to say not!

A Fraimbase and a Fraim top level with Fraimlite in between makes for a bl**dy good stand IMHO.

Not convinced about Bamboo under an LP12... Ask Glevethan, he posts here.. When I was with him a couple of years ago, we replaced a distorting (under the weight of his LP12) reference shelf with a Bamboo..... Mmmmm. So later on Fraim was tried - Miles better, but really he needed a wall shelf and so we tried another....... Forum rules for participating Naim retailers prevent me naming it, but he and Varyat now use them, so you'll just have to go and check it out if you wish.

Personally, I'd stick with a Fraim or Fraim/Fraimlite combination.

KR

Peter

Hi Peter and everyone -

Is Fraim or Fraim Lite safe with kiddos in the house?

BR,

Eric

Fraim Lite. No glass shelves, less tippy I presume. 

Thanks.  How would pure Fraim Lite stack up against a full Fraim base with Fraim Lite shelves?  Would this significantly increase performance and/or decrease the safety factor?

Adding the Fraim Base increases the isolation and is a nice upgrade/benefit.

Upper levels being the same, I see no real difference in safety higher up the Fraim/Fraimlite stand, just ensure that you have a piece of kit on the bottom shelf/base on top of the glass if you choose to use it.

It is a judgement call really, but so far I've never heard of problems and I'm sure HQ would have acted already if so. 

I've seen Fraims in rooms with children playing and even a totally potty Old English Sheepdog with boundless energy!!!!! No reported problems so far. Of course there's always a first time and only you know how physical your kids are.

Hope this helps.

KR

Peter

Thanks Peter.  Sounds like full Fraim will be just fine with our little angels.    Now on to the the other safety issue of selecting a finish that won't upset the mrs...

BR,

Eric

Saw my name mentioned by Peter so I thought I would chime in. 

Bamboo under the LP12 - terrible results imho. I had much better performance with the Quadraspire Perspex shelf (too bad it warps under the weight of the deck). 

LP12 on top of Fraim - sublime

Forum rules prevent dealers from mentioning - however I can  - ring Peter up and get the new Tiger Paw Wall Shelf - spectacular!  I use one and Varyat has TWO of them!

best

Gregg

Grrr, you guys are making this so hard for me now. Bamboo not good with LP-12? First I've heard of that. Does anyone else share this thought?  I don't want to downgrade my LP-12 performance I'm getting from my Zothecus stand.

I can get a 3 shelf Framelite-2k usd for less than the cost of a 4 shelf Bamboo SV2T 3,700 usd. 3 shelf Fraim is 4,100 usd, gulp.

Blownaway,

As Gregg mentioned, the Vulkan is really the best shelf available , new, for your LP12. Given the option, I would always use a wall shelf to get the table at a more accessible height for use- just my preference.

Of course, the LP12 does sound great on the top of a Fraim as well, although more prone to foot faults.Second hand Fraim does come up in the US- shoot Chris West at AVOptions an email as he deals with a lot of Naim USA owners.

ATB,

Mark

Back in the day I used my LP12 on a Quadraspire wall shelf. Before selling it, I plonked it on top of the Fraim and it was transformed: so much better it was unbelievable. I have concrete floors, so can pogo as much as I like and records keep playing. 

That said, some on here use SVT very happily with their LP12s and I've heard no complaints. 

I'm using Isoblue and very happy with it. 

Rest of system on Fraim 

I'm with Gregg and Mark. The LP12 doesn't sound it's best on wood, Fraim or Vulkan recommended. 

Or the Audiotech, which is best stand I've ever had for the LP12. Not for the elderly though, as its only about a foot high. 

Yup, the Audiotech is fab.  Also consider the (related) Archidee, although it's a rare one and hard to find these days

Hi HH,

my Audiotech table is 50 cm high, including spikes. Pretty big feet, eh ?

I have one of these I could use...

The Townshend Audio Seismic Sink

Or Sound Organization Stand (this one is a few inches tall with spikes).

Would help with the SV2T wood stand?

blownaway posted:

Originally Posted by glevethan:

Saw my name mentioned by Peter so I thought I would chime in. 

 

Bamboo under the LP12 - terrible results imho. I had much better performance with the Quadraspire Perspex shelf (too bad it warps under the weight of the deck). 

 

LP12 on top of Fraim - sublime

 

Forum rules prevent dealers from mentioning - however I can  - ring Peter up and get the new Tiger Paw Wall Shelf - spectacular!  I use one and Varyat has TWO of them!

 

best

Gregg

Grrr, you guys are making this so hard for me now. Bamboo not good with LP-12? First I've heard of that. Does anyone else share this thought?  I don't want to downgrade my LP-12 performance I'm getting from my Zothecus stand.

Based on the Original Audiotech shelf. It's fair to say everyone who has tried it likes it.

KR

Peter

I just installed a Stands Unique 'Transitions' wall shelf in place of an Audiotech one to carry my LP12.

In the SWMBO department - much improved looks (wood and 10mm glass are seen, the heavy steel back plate isn't). No more black angled steelwork on view.

In the audio department - surprisingly, more detail & tighter bass line (I didn't expect that !)

In the building maintenance department - five 14mm holes in wall and 5 heavy anchor bolts (excuse to buy a new cordless Matsui drill)  Substantially more serious fixings than the four Audiotech screws & wallplugs.

...and the bad news - Stands Unique went out of business two years ago, so these Transition wall shelves from my Linn / Naim dealer in Chester may be among the few remaining in the marketplace.

...oh, and the good news... he's going to fit my Super Lumia  Urika to 552 interconnects next week (I've been burning them in with a CD player on 24 hours for 10 days now) 

"Happy days" as they often say in Salisbury.