Demo of NAP500 vs NAP500DR

Posted by: Darke Bear on 28 November 2015

I visited my Dealer Signals for a brief demo of the new NAP500DR against the previous non-DR version.

The system was NDS with two 555DR PS with Melco source, Statement S1 Pre, the 500 Amp and a pair of the larger Focal speakers and a full-loom of SL cables.

We began with a brief listen to the system with the new NAP500DR in place and I selected a couple of albums I know well enough to form an opinion. My initial impression was of a rather lighter balanced sound, very clear and detailed, but I was not entirely 'tuned-in' to what it was doing initially.

We then began the Demo proper, with the old non-DR NAP 500:

This immediately gave the sonic signature I was familiar with - a fuller and warmer 'nicer' presentation to my ears, if a little less detailed.

I played a track with a mix of well-recorded, if densely-mixed bass guitar, drums and deep powerful synth lines with female vocals from Mylene Farmer's Anamorphosee album 'L'instant X' which I know well and can be difficult on some systems.

The system did very well but was rather thicker-sounding in the low frequencies that I know is possible in my own Active system, but rather expected.

I also played a very early Sally Oldfied recording (from 'Playing in the Flame' album) which was not a 'HiFi' recording but allowed my to get a view on how the old 500 Amp dealt with more subtle voice ballads. It was very musical and enjoyable and was as I would expect from this level of system.

So now I had my performance 'baseline' of the system in that room with the Focal speakers - and we returned the 500DR to duty and immediately I could hear on the heavier rock-oriented Mylene track that there was a much more dynamic clean and open sound.

For certain reasons we then swapped-out the rather new 500PS feeding the 500DR head unit for the more run-in 500PS (the DR upgrade does not change the power supply 'brawn' box) and that was a huge leap in performance. Gone was any reservation I had over the new 500DR head unit, as its performance with the more run-in power supply was far better.

The bass in particular was deeper and more powerful with better articulation and purity.

I began to hear a performance in the Signals demo room I'd not heard before from a passive system - the spectral purity of the notes in musical chords was such that they had more power for a given volume and involved you far more - things were in sympathetic vibration that were not before in my seat!
Basically more music and less smearing. The sound was engaging and made me want to listen to the music more that the system.

So I think the 500DR is a reasonably significant step-up in performance over the non-DR 500 and worth the upgrade cost, especially for those that are close to needing theirs serviced.

Some perspective:
The size of improvement was nowhere near what changing a 552DR to S1 Pre, but that is a silly-price difference and to be expected. Having this in the system lifts everything a lot.

I would also change the speaker cables to Super Lumina first from what I heard - but the 500DR is in the same range of uplift as the NAC A5 to SL speaker leads.

In conclusion I will get my set of three NAP500 upgraded and serviced in the new year sometime.

DB.

Posted on: 30 November 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by 911gt3r:
Originally Posted by badlands:

 

 

OH DEAR.......did you just s...say bro........broken there ? 

I blame that racy-Porsche Peter guy for inventing the terminology

Posted on: 30 November 2015 by 911gt3r
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
Originally Posted by 911gt3r:
Originally Posted by badlands:

 

 

OH DEAR.......did you just s...say bro........broken there ? 

I blame that racy-Porsche Peter guy for inventing the terminology

MOI?? 

Posted on: 30 November 2015 by Allante93

Originally Posted by Sam:

 

 

Given the leap in performance that the DR brings it would have been very easy for Naim to simply rebadge the range and force upgraders into new products, as most companies likely would. So you could now have a new 250.3, 300.2. & 500.2 (or whatever) in flashy new cases with better SQ and at higher prices ready to ship.

 

I Agree Sam +2,  Naim could’ve taken us to the cleaners with this New DR Amp Technology, using Adjectives like leaner, faster response time, inky darkness, quietness to the nth degree, etc……

 

 

And as you can see, before the New DR Tech. the changes were not that dramatic, to say the least!

 

NAP250.2 A completely new circuit board layout and a move to smaller reservoir capacitors and an even larger transformer. 

 

 

NAP300 superceeded the NAP135. It has a different layout and is now no longer a monobloc design, rather a power supply and amplifier two box design. The circuit is very similar to the NAP250.

 

Posted on: 30 November 2015 by Innocent Bystander
Originally Posted by Allante93:
With modern technology, it's amazing what one can Google!

"The NAP300 is cheaper to produce than the NAP135 as it only uses one transformer. The circuit is very similar to the NAP250 and in (our view) this is the best power amplifier that Naim currently manufactures. In extremis, two NAP300 power amplifiers would cost less than a single NAP500 and yield better results."

Don't want to put anyone, or Company on the spot, but once again I would think, there's no substitute for demoing in one's own listening environment!

Note: the parentheses weren't part of the above quote, just a little something I added!


If you know what I mean!

Interested enough to want to know the source, led me to this on the same page, this on the 500:

 

"At £18,000 this ought to be the creme of the power amplifiers but alas it lacks the magic of the NAP300 or NAP250 and despite it's enourmous extruded heatsinks it still gets hot with very little provoking. It is a bridged amplifier design largely due to Naim's fixation with using just two output devices. Despite being bridged it still only manages a very modest 140 WPC. Buy if you have very hard to drive speakers and don't like the idea of using two NAP300s instead."

 

Of course always a matter of opinion, and very much also the speakers used. However perhaps the DR and SL bring the magic back... 

 

Running hot? Biased somewhat into class A, perhaps?

Posted on: 30 November 2015 by Allante93

Originally Posted by Bystander:

 

Interested enough to want to know the source, led me to this on the same page, this on the 500:

 

Funny Thing with google, anyone can become a armchair quarterback, with out any real experience, say 30 years of Linn Aktiv Experience, Briks, etc....

 

Oh, yes that's it! 

Posted on: 30 November 2015 by analogmusic

ok found the source of that writeup. Interesting reading 

 

especially their views of the mighty Nap 500. 

 

I wonder what DB thinks of it 

 

Anyway to counter that write up and to keep the morale up of NAP 500 owners, I invite all to view the hi fi critic website, on their blog where the new DR amps have been discussed

 

"The sound quality differences between new and old were far from trivial or the merely incremental. ‘Freshened up’ is hardly adequate, more ‘turbo charged’. Not only was the price/performance hierarchy clearly demonstrated - you really do get what you pay for - but the quality gain over the outgoing models was substantial, in terms of bass extension, timing and tune playing, as well as sound stage focus and scale, clarity, delicacy and image depth. Not least, the new versions also demonstrated improved rhythm and listener involvement. 
 
To me, the mostly costly of the set, the 500DR, sounded rather like a smaller version of the Statement power amplifier which I enjoyed for some months reviewing it for the hificritic). Perhaps this isn’t surprising since the two do share a similar circuitry and build topology and now have many parts and design aspects in common"

 

 

Posted on: 30 November 2015 by Allante93

Now to be fair to Naim, No company can do everything right there's the good, the bad, and the ugly!

 

What is Naim's Strong suit? 

 

Naim amps can swing transients in a way other similarly powered amps just cannot do.

 

What is Naim's Achilles heel? 

 

Most would agree, the lack of Power!

 

Naim NAP500 At £18,000 still only manages a very modest 140 WPC.

 

 

 

Naim's cater to that is the ability to go Active( bi amp/tri amp).

 

 

 

However, for the select few trying to  take advantage of what Naim does best, their Active Systems, it's hard to Argue against Perfection.  Perhaps this is why Naim's PS's, offers an upgrade path towards an Active System!

 

Even for Darke furry Bears with S1 Pre Amps 

 

Posted on: 30 November 2015 by Minh Nguyen
Nice write up DB. Your efforts are much appreciated.

I wonder how many of us have actually had the time to 'properly' listen to our systems this year with all the SL burn in and DR upgrades looming?
Posted on: 30 November 2015 by J.N.

Welcome back to the madhouse Minh. We should be meeting on Friday - assuming I have the correct Minh!

 

John.

Posted on: 30 November 2015 by Foot tapper

Many thanks DB.  Informative insights, as always and very much appreciated.

 

Now, must go and listen to the turntable, as it is finally, finally back up & running after a large scale home re-decoration & reflooring...

 

J.N. yes, this means that even the larger wall shelf has now arrived and was installed yesterday!

 

Best regards, FT

Posted on: 30 November 2015 by J.N.

Excellent news Ian. Please post or email pics. Does the acrylic beast sound any different?

 

Are you now the proud possessor of the world's largest turntable and accommodating support???

 

John.

Posted on: 30 November 2015 by Minh Nguyen
Originally Posted by J.N.:

Welcome back to the madhouse Minh. We should be meeting on Friday - assuming I have the correct Minh!

 

John.


See you at 11 John

ATB Minh
Posted on: 30 November 2015 by Foot tapper

Hi J.N.

Pics coming soon on the appropriate thread.  

I don't want to dilute this one for the fans of the NAP500.

 

Best regards, FT

Posted on: 30 November 2015 by analogmusic
From the Hi-fi critic blog on the DR amps
 
 
"Design chief Steve Sells took us through the technology issues. He explained some of the subtleties of power regulator design, noise, impedance and rise time and had cooked up a cunning and revealing demonstration of the improvements achieved in this area. With a well crafted test rig using music feeding power to a silent dummy load, he took three amplifiers through their paces: one unregulated, one standard regulated and one DR regulated, while feeding the now amplified noise and distortion on the supply rail to a loudspeaker.
 
For the unregulated supply rail the noise was substantial, frankly a noisy racket comprising hum and programme, all half wave rectified, with almost zero music content.  In the case of the majority of unregulated amplifiers, some of this noise is also present in the signal to the loudspeaker.

For the regulated power rail the hum and the music distortion was much reduced, this familiar from the improved sound of these established regulated supply power amps. Finally, when the DR amplifier power line was put under the aural microscope, it was essentially silent, free from noise, hum and  that dreaded music modulation distortion"

 

Posted on: 01 December 2015 by tonym
Originally Posted by Minh Nguyen:
Originally Posted by J.N.:

Welcome back to the madhouse Minh. We should be meeting on Friday - assuming I have the correct Minh!

 

John.


See you at 11 John

ATB Minh

See you both! Sorry, my 500s aren't DR'd yet...You'll have to slum it with the standard jobs.

Posted on: 01 December 2015 by Foot tapper
Oh, I'm so very sorry for you Tony. Still, you bear the sacrifice with good grace ��

Hope it goes well for the 3 of you.

Best regards, FT
Posted on: 01 December 2015 by The Strat (Fender)
Originally Posted by Foot tapper:
Oh, I'm so very sorry for you Tony. Still, you bear the sacrifice with good grace ��

Hope it goes well for the 3 of you.

Best regards, FT

 

Yes i'm afraid that we all have a terrible burden to bear when you think sbout it!