NAC 82 - NAC 282

Your money and the result is much better spend on a Nac 52/psu

its a classic and should cost less (serviced) than new 282 which basically is a refined 82 in another cabinet

and a more neutral cart than OC9 will provide much more than 10% - 20%...imo.. no offense

If your 82 is a pots 8 version it's more of a side ways move to a 282, as B_Lund suggests look out for a NAC52

Are you talking about a 252 or a NAC52 - do not see many around - and is old 52 an improvement over 82 - I always thought 82 & 2xHC was similar to 52 ?

Nope, a 52 is a big step up from an 82, even a fully loaded one.

Certainly I think some auditioning is in order here. 

The 282 is far from a re-boxed 82, and the 52 is also far from a 282 in presentation. 

Indeed if the 52 is being seriously considered, then one might as well also consider the 72, which is so much less expensive and thus easily allows for a complete service to bring it back to top spec! Between the 52 and the 72, I found the 72 a long term favourite, while the 52 is certainly very good.

ATB from George

Years ago I asked A senior Naim person whether it was worth swapping from an 82 to a 282. No was the answer. 

I would swap the 82 and hicaps for a late 52 with Olive Supercap. The 52 is miles better than the 82 and in combination with the 135s is an absolute classic. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

Years ago I asked A senior Naim person whether it was worth swapping from an 82 to a 282. No was the answer. 

I would swap the 82 and hicaps for a late 52 with Olive Supercap. The 52 is miles better than the 82 and in combination with the 135s is an absolute classic. 

You hit it HH.

he did

plus service 135's if never done

The main issue is however still the OC9 IME, do this replacement first, along with a deck service, take it from there

If you use phonocards inside Nac 82, these will fit into a 52 but not a 282

As a 282 owner I would say if you're going to change 52/252 to make it worth the while.  But the cartridge will really make a difference.   Dynavector XX........

al9315 posted:

 

I may consider a 282/SC if it would be worth considering - my alternative is probably to get all my existing equip serviced? 

 

If you're going to keep any of your existing gear, get it serviced regardless. You might decide the improvement is so great that you're happy to keep what you've got. 

52 every time for me over an 82 easily, 72 very very easily and over a 282 no question. Only pre better than a 52 from Naim is a 552.  52 must be pots 8 serviced copy however.

ChrisSU posted:

al9315 posted:

 

I may consider a 282/SC if it would be worth considering - my alternative is probably to get all my existing equip serviced? 

 

If you're going to keep any of your existing gear, get it serviced regardless. You might decide the improvement is so great that you're happy to keep what you've got. 

Agree 100% and have finally sent my 282/250/SC lot for a full service. I'm pretty content with what I've got and I rather listen to my music  than spend endless days and nights worrying about which bit of kit to upgrade next.  I'm sure many people would disagree but music always comes first 'round ere' Simples!

al9315 posted:

I have NAC 82 2 x HC 2x135. Mainly play LPs LP12/Ekos/Lingo/OC9. About to get turntable serviced and new cartridge

I would like to know what sort of improvement the 282 would be over 82 

When I was in a similar position to you - LP12 Cirkus / Ekos / Lingo / Transfiguration Phoenix 82 / Supercap (Black) / 250 - I was contemplating a 52 or 252. I thought that it would be a simple decision.

After listening I ended up with a Radikal - just a thought  - and a Linn Keel or Kore subchassis would be another.

Keeping but servicing the existing gear could then complement this 

Just done it and the 52/SC is the answer. I had the S/C serviced before I even plugged it in for 600 quid.

Hi

Thanks for most informative replies !

WHERE does one find a 52/SC ???

Thanks

Al

They are out there but less so than a second hand 282 which is indeed not a meaningful move. People tend to hang on to their 52s since the only way from there is to leave Naim or go to a 552.

You might want to see what a modern SCdr does to your 82 instead of the 2xHC. At least then you are ready for a 52/252 when you can spot one and, although only your ears can decide, I found a single SCdr outperforms 2xHC on a 282 so no reason the same shouldn't be true for an 82.

Went from a Hi Cap to a Supercap many years ago a worthwhile upgrade.

Anybody using a Olive 82/Supercap/250 with S400s ?

redalphabet posted:

Just done it and the 52/SC is the answer. I had the S/C serviced before I even plugged it in for 600 quid.

Having the SC serviced was a smart move. Hearing your "new" 52 with a fresh SC ensures a level playing field  when making comparisons. Also prevents a failing circuit component  from ruining your fun and blowing a tweeter- don't ask me how I know this  ! At this point, all olive  power amps and power supplies should be used with caution if not serviced, imo.

ATB,

Mark

Thanks for so much info ! 

My last question is : IF one got a SCdr - is the dr part of it compatible/effective with a NAC82 or does it require the new model equip to shine ?

Thanks

Al

Naim should be able to confirm immediately that a current SCdr is compatible with an 82 (I'm 90% sure it is but please check Naim). As for DR, anything compatible benefits. It's not reliant on any pairing of components.

+1 for the consensus. The 282 is a marginal upgrade over the 82 and not worth the money. I swapped my Hi Cap fora Supercap on my 82, and that was worth the money. The 52 is transformational--a huge step up over the 82/SC.

A full LP-12 service, which involves gutting the TT into its individual parts, is expensive and worth the money.

The Supercap DR will work with a 52. But as the 52 was designed with the olive supercap, that's what I'd stick with.

al9315 posted:

Hi

Thanks for most informative replies !

WHERE does one find a 52/SC ???

Thanks

Al

Depends where you live.

al9315 posted:

Hi

Thanks for most informative replies !

WHERE does one find a 52/SC ???

Thanks

Al

Hi

THAT'S the question! 

Sometimes a 52 is appearing on the net, but it's really a rare item. And if one is appearing I find it to be quite expensive (keep in mind it's at least 15yrs old, has to be serviced in most cases, shipping costs have to be added). 

Is it one of the most overpriced items? Or are >£2500 a reasonable price (with PS-SC)? 

-dgh

For a later pots 8 52 and Supercap, all boxed and very good condition , and serviced in recent years, I'd reckon £3000 , or thereabouts.

I should add , worth every penny.