Vinyl is where it's at???

If I send you my address can I have your old NDS then?

Unfortunately, still need the NDS to play spotify. ;-)

How about a straight swap then. My NDX for your NDS :-)

Lol! Ndx is even worse...

If you like the euphonic inaccuracies of vinyl replay, then yes it will.

he does like the euphonic inacurracy of Vinyl 

so did I, until I got my Chord Hugo 

Vinyl is the past, and will soon be (along with the LP12 and other analog rigs) in the same place with Cassette Decks and tapes 

MangoMonkey posted:

the NDS just got kicked to the curb. How the rp6/stageline-N can sound so much better than the NDS is beyond me...

thr stageline is being powered by the 552. ;-)

rp6/552/300...

That's normal. Try a superline and a very good cartridge and you will be blown away ! 

Mango,

Maybe you're now appreciating the four I's of vinyl replay - Intimacy, Immediacy, Indefatigability, and I like all of the above and want to hear more .

These four I's more than compensate for the bastard fifth I - Inaccuracies associated with pitch variation . 

Good for you Mango, and great to see you enjoying records.

Er, wasn't there an RP8 at some point? But IIRC there was no NAC552 at that time.

Chris

Hi MM,

So time for another change?  Do you want to keep the RP6 or change the vinyl replay as well this time? FT

Oh Mr Mango!!!!!!!!

Last night I played several albums -  work commitments have precluded listening this week - first a couple of CDs and then some vinyl and those euphonic inaccuracies were breathtaking.  

Yes me old primate those Rega decks sure make some great music!!

Odd - in my system Rega RP6 was easily beaten by my NDX. It took Linn LP12 with Urika to beat it. 

I guess it's also down to a quality of the network. 

analogmusic posted:

 he does like the euphonic inacurracy of Vinyl 

 so did I, until I got my Chord Hugo 

 Vinyl is the past, and will soon be (along with the LP12 and other analog rigs) in the same place with Cassette Decks and tapes 

Analog - while I agree that the Hugo brings a beautiful analogue-like presentation to the party, we are however stuck with the necessary evil/joy of LP playback for some time to come. Case in pont - the recent David Bowie release, Blackstar. By most accounts the digital  (CD & HighRes) is loud and compressed to ear bleeding distraction. The vinyl is apparently normal and lovely. I will find out for myself when my LP arrives next week.

As long as the powers that be master digital like fools, LP playback will have a place in this game not just based around nostalgia and preference for euphonic inaccuracy.

Adam Zielinski posted:

Odd - in my system Rega RP6 was easily beaten by my NDX. It took Linn LP12 with Urika to beat it. 

I guess it's also down to a quality of the network. 

Define beaten?

And if the quality of the network can really compromise the replay to that extent - I'm surprised. 

Sounded more natural, higher resolution, more details, warmer

The new Bowie album has a DR of 5 on CD and hi res and 10 on vinyl, so it's hard for the NDS to recreate a dynamic range that has been removed during the mastering process.

My record player sounds better than the NDS most of the time, but the NDS is still superb. I would advise anyone to have both digital and analogue sources.

Keith

Analoguemusic, I'd put the Hugo down as the least analogue sounding digital source i've heard. Mango, what took you so long?.....

'Vinyl is where it's at???' Does the title need three question marks considering the OP statements that follow it?

'Just another thread that I started because I like like starting threads that will get a partisan response' could be a subtitle I suppose.

Disclaimer: I dumped vinyl replay years and years ago, not regretted it either.

Gary Yeowell posted:

"I'd put the Hugo down as the least analogue sounding digital source i've heard"

What????

Seriously Gary, there must have been something seriously wrong with the system on which you had your demo of the Hugo. I can understand people preferring other DACs to that of the Hugo, but to claim it is the least analogue digital source you have heard is astonishing. Quite the opposite of my own view of the product.

You have displayed an over the top reaction to the Hugo in past posts bordering on the defensive & irrational, but this takes the biscuit. Your over-reaction dilutes any case you make for your point of view.

I too love vinyl, and have recently been expanding my LP collection on an equal footing with my CD & hi-res files, and I can understand Mango feeling the way he does (even if I am a little surprised), but I really can't understand your point of view.

Really, does anyone else feel the same way about the Hugo? Is it really that bad?

The Hugo should have been called 'The Headache' imo.

I'm surprised that no-one has used a DSP processing box (S/Pdif in / S/Pdif out) to recreate the sonic signature of a number of different 'classic' turntables, I'm 'Shure'() it could be done quite easily.

KRM posted:

The new Bowie album has a DR of 5 on CD and hi res and 10 on vinyl, so it's hard for the NDS to recreate a dynamic range that has been removed during the mastering process.

My record player sounds better than the NDS most of the time, but the NDS is still superb. I would advise anyone to have both digital and analogue sources.

Keith

Just because some sound engineer or marketing exec has chosen to noble a CD doesn't mean that the format is worst than vinyl. 

Gary wrote:

"The Hugo should have been called 'The Headache' imo"

I simply rest my case.

No doubt these vinyl/digital threads will keep recurring and travelling along the same lines. I remain in the pro-vinyl camp (with LP12) but have not explored the hi-res digital option. I will throw in a couple of recent experiences to reaffirm my 'prejudice'. I asked for and was given the second Alabama Shakes CD for Christmas and found that when the music got louder it turned quite shrill. I asked whether anyone could corroborate this in the Music Room thread here and was told that the CD is compressed and the vinyl more listenable. This seems to correspond with the comment above about the new Bowie. Whether I now want to spend c.£20 on the Alabama Shakes vinyl is questionable. Example 2: I bought for my partner a copy of the recent Glenn Gould Goldberg (1981) vinyl reissue. We played it all through in silence. We then listened to the beginning of the CD version. Her comment (as pianist and music teacher) was that the record was like having him in the room, the CD was just listening to a CD. This was unprompted and although of course she knows my preference, would express her own view.

I imagine a band like Alabama Shakes is not in a position to challenge the processes involved in production, but it would be depressing if they really didn't appreciate the effect production decisions have on the end result. I suppose the cynical view is that nowadays most listeners will only hear the music in MP3 and in that medium it probably sounds better compressed. Of course buying new vinyl is far from guaranteeing good SQ.

Clive

Hmack, nothing wrong with the Hugo at all, other than the allergic reaction to the popularity it has.

I had a friend over, and we played adele on Vinyl, and then the CD rip on the Hugo

My friend, who isn't really pro-Hugo (and refuses to by one), had to concede the Hugo beat the Vinyl hands down, and in his own words, "the Vinyl was not mastered from a DAC as good as the Hugo"

With the Hugo TT and now DAVE, the LP12 and Vinyl belong (soon) in the garage sale, donation to charity and in a box in the garage, soon to be disposed of.