Super Lumina in da house....

Michael_B. posted:

Do the lute strings integrate as an organic whole/instrument? My experience with other super (not lumina) speaker cables is that they separate them out in the soundstage, which gets on my nerves. Same on piano, guitar, cello.... I'm told this is due to the use of PTFE insulation which, if I remember correctly, also features in the Superlumina construction.

If that is so , you may like to try the new ChordMusic cable which uses a new dielectric , Taylon , instead of PTFE.

You've missed the point (and the quote misses it): It's not the separation of the instruments, it's the entirely artificial separation of the instrument's strings, so that the guitar/piano etc. fills the soundstage (now soundstrange) with its individual strings, sparkling in splendid isolation. Accompanying this can be a loss of instrument soundbox/soundboard timbre, like close-miking (which accentuates the defect). It's a great sound effect, but very different from the old Quad maxim of the "closest approach to the original sound".

ken c posted:

joerand posted:

ken c posted:

so in desperation, may consider organ donation. yes, its all mad!!

Please tell us which organ you're considering donating so we can put things in perspective

ha ha ... come to think of it, at my age, i dont think anyone would be interested in any of my organs -- so perhaps this route is closed 

enjoy

ken

Ken, you missed a trick there.  You should have countered with this:

Michael_B posted:

"You've missed the point (and the quote misses it): It's not the separation of the instruments, it's the entirely artificial separation of the instrument's strings, so that the guitar/piano etc. fills the soundstage (now soundstrange) with its individual strings, sparkling in splendid isolation".

OK, but in my defence, it was after all a quote, and one that formed a substantial part of your original post. Now, I have to admit that I am struggling to understand the effect that you describe.

You make a reference to the old Quad maxim of "the closest approach to the original sound". This is certainly something to which I subscribe, and if this is what you are seeking, then our goals are similar.  

Simple Question, Anyone with SL IC 552

1st SL IC source to Pre: ok

2nd SL IC Snaxo to Pre: ok

3rd SL Speaker Cable: ok

4th SL IC Din to XLR, ????

XLR end to Amp: ok

Where does the Din end connect to?

Nac 552

555PS DR

SC DR

Snaxo

Looked at diagrams, can't seem to figure it out, just trying to get a full understanding, before I pull the trigger on my next upgrade.

Michael_B. posted:

You've missed the point (and the quote misses it): It's not the separation of the instruments, it's the entirely artificial separation of the instrument's strings, so that the guitar/piano etc. fills the soundstage (now soundstrange) with its individual strings, sparkling in splendid isolation. Accompanying this can be a loss of instrument soundbox/soundboard timbre, like close-miking (which accentuates the defect). It's a great sound effect, but very different from the old Quad maxim of the "closest approach to the original sound".

I know what you mean and rest assured, the SL cables don't do this. They do let a lot more information through, but it has never sounded disembodied, or amusical, to my ears. 

Graham Clarke posted:

ken c posted:

joerand posted:

ken c posted:

so in desperation, may consider organ donation. yes, its all mad!!

Please tell us which organ you're considering donating so we can put things in perspective

ha ha ... come to think of it, at my age, i dont think anyone would be interested in any of my organs -- so perhaps this route is closed 

enjoy

ken

Ken, you missed a trick there.  You should have countered with this:

....

enjoy

ken

Allante93 posted:

Simple Question, Anyone with SL IC 552

1st SL IC source to Pre: ok

2nd SL IC Snaxo to Pre: ok

3rd SL Speaker Cable: ok

4th SL IC Din to XLR, ????

XLR end to Amp: ok

Where does the Din end connect to?

Nac 552

555PS DR

SC DR

Snaxo

Looked at diagrams, can't seem to figure it out, just trying to get a full understanding, before I pull the trigger on my next upgrade.

On an active system the DIN-XLR goes from Snaxo (the DIN end) to power amp (XLR end).

On a passive system there's no Pre to Snaxo cable and I assume the DIN-XLR goes from direct from preamp to power amp.  I assume this as I've never run a Naim passive system.

Graham Clarke posted:

Allante93 posted:

Simple Question, Anyone with SL IC 552

1st SL IC source to Pre: ok

2nd SL IC Snaxo to Pre: ok

3rd SL Speaker Cable: ok

4th SL IC Din to XLR, ????

XLR end to Amp: ok

Where does the Din end connect to?

Nac 552

555PS DR

SC DR

Snaxo

Looked at diagrams, can't seem to figure it out, just trying to get a full understanding, before I pull the trigger on my next upgrade.

On an active system the DIN-XLR goes from Snaxo (the DIN end) to power amp (XLR end).

On a passive system there's no Pre to Snaxo cable and I assume the DIN-XLR goes from direct from preamp to power amp.  I assume this as I've never run a Naim passive system.

On a passive system the DIN-XLR goes from the power supply to the power amp not directly to the preamp. There still needs to be a non SL cable like the SNAIC or Burndy carrying signal and power between the PS and preamp.

Graham Clarke posted:

Allante93 posted:

Simple Question, Anyone with SL IC 552

1st SL IC source to Pre: ok

2nd SL IC Snaxo to Pre: ok

3rd SL Speaker Cable: ok

4th SL IC Din to XLR, ????

XLR end to Amp: ok

Where does the Din end connect to?

Nac 552

555PS DR

SC DR

Snaxo

Looked at diagrams, can't seem to figure it out, just trying to get a full understanding, before I pull the trigger on my next upgrade.

On an active system the DIN-XLR goes from Snaxo (the DIN end) to power amp (XLR end).

On a passive system there's no Pre to Snaxo cable and I assume the DIN-XLR goes from direct from preamp to power amp.  I assume this as I've never run a Naim passive system.

Thanks Graham, you and DB have confirmed this! However, when I look at rear of the Snaxo 362, I see two inputs, one for Hi Cap DR, and one for SC DR.

With my next purchase being an SC DR with burndy to power the Snaxo, that renders the Hi Cap input useless, leaving the 3 outputs for my 250's which is presently on my Hi Cap DR now, which will be used to power my 282.

There are two Rows of outputs to accomodate an 6 pack, but I will be using the upper level only.

I assume you are using SC DR, which is connected to your Snaxo Input!

And your 300 DR's connected to your Snaxo outputs.

So in your case with your Snaxo, where is the Din end connected to Snaxo?

What's left on the Snaxo!

I know, it's something simple I missing, thanks in Advance!

Allante93 posted:

Graham Clarke posted:

Allante93 posted:

Simple Question, Anyone with SL IC 552

1st SL IC source to Pre: ok

2nd SL IC Snaxo to Pre: ok

3rd SL Speaker Cable: ok

4th SL IC Din to XLR, ????

XLR end to Amp: ok

Where does the Din end connect to?

Nac 552

555PS DR

SC DR

Snaxo

Looked at diagrams, can't seem to figure it out, just trying to get a full understanding, before I pull the trigger on my next upgrade.

On an active system the DIN-XLR goes from Snaxo (the DIN end) to power amp (XLR end).

On a passive system there's no Pre to Snaxo cable and I assume the DIN-XLR goes from direct from preamp to power amp.  I assume this as I've never run a Naim passive system.

Thanks Graham, you and DB have confirmed this! However, when I look at rear of the Snaxo 362, I see two inputs, one for Hi Cap DR, and one for SC DR.

With my next purchase being an SC DR with burndy to power the Snaxo, that renders the Hi Cap input useless, leaving the 3 outputs for my 250's which is presently on my Hi Cap DR now, which will be used to power my 282.

There are two Rows of outputs to accomodate an 6 pack, but I will be using the upper level only.

I assume you are using SC DR, which is connected to your Snaxo Input!

And your 300 DR's connected to your Snaxo outputs.

So in your case with your Snaxo, where is the Din end connected to Snaxo?

What's left on the Snaxo!

I know, it's something simple I missing, thanks in Advance!

 

 

SL DIN 4-4 connects from preamp to Supercap DR that powers the Snaxo.  On my system it's just "preamp" because there's no separate power supply for the S1.  For other preamps the cable goes from preamp power supply to Supercap DR powering Snaxo.

DIN end of SL DIN-XLR connects to Snaxo, other end into poweramp.  I have six of these cables as two are required for each NAP300.

Posted by Graham Clarke:

"SL DIN 4-4 connects from preamp to Supercap DR that powers the Snaxo. On my system it's just "preamp" because there's no separate power supply for the S1. For other preamps the cable goes from preamp power supply to Supercap DR powering Snaxo.

DIN end of SL DIN-XLR connects to Snaxo, other end into poweramp. I have six of these cables as two are required for each NAP300."

Thanks Graham I think I got it now! Not as simple as I thought!!!

{Cdx2/ Hi Cap DR > 282 / SC DR > Snaxo / 3 x 250 / Briks}

SL IC from Cdx2 to 282:  DIN > DIN  (5-5) ?

SL IC from Hi Cap DR to SC DR: DIN > DIN (4-4)?

SL Speaker Cable Wow!!!! $$$$$

SL IC from Snaxo to Amps:  DIN > XLR  (4-XLR)?

Do I have it Correct Now??????

Please say Yes!!!!

The din to XLR has had a few ups and downs over recent days, but has really come on song today. Listening to Lars Danielsson's excellent Liberetto album on ACT at the moment, the bass is sounding just like the real thing, like you'd hear it in a jazz club. I've never heard the double bass sound so good at home, perfectly balanced with the rest of the band, and everything seeming so right. And all from 'just' a 272/250. It's amazing what a few (three) wires can do. 

Less than two week's burn-in? You're a lucky fellow, HH

I know Mike, it's going to go funny again. Dan43 is visiting on Wednesday and Sod's Law is bound to kick in that morning. But for now, it's really rather wonderful. 

Hope it holds good for Weds, Nigel. And don't go trying to put Dan43 off his Sopras! 

Mike

I don't think that would be possible somehow...... 

Yes the SL will go into hiding, like I do when a VAT inspection pays a visit.

Off to Pompey v Ipswich tomorrow FA Cup, win and we play Bournemouth next round. 

Still deciding on those Sopras but the results on this minor power upgrade tonight are getting me thinking ......

Dan43 posted:

Off to Pompey v Ipswich tomorrow FA Cup, win and we play Bournemouth next round. 

......

That would be great but I fear Ipswich won't under-estimate us again.  Anyway, that topic's for another thread.

Hope you enjoy your visit to HH's.

Hungryhalibut posted:

Listening to Lars Danielsson's excellent Liberetto album on ACT at the moment, the bass is sounding just like the real thing, like you'd hear it in a jazz club. I've never heard the double bass sound so good at home, perfectly balanced with the rest of the band, and everything seeming so right. 

Great album. Is it the high res version?

Just wondering, did anybody tried SL full loom with Olive gear?

Thanks

Still no Supercap to 552 4-5 pin SL IC. There is SL for CD to pre but no such for the vinyl chain. Why?

Dave

Hungryhalibut posted:

There have been a few threads about Naim's hugely expensive new cables, which perhaps inevitably considered their use in the context of Statement and 500 series systems. Well, shortly before Christmas I got myself some SL speaker cables, and last week bought the Din to XLR cable. That means that, owning 'only' a 272 and 250 DR, it's now 'full loom', as people seem to call it. 

With a few days for the Din to XLR to settle down, these swanky wires have transformed the system totally. It's like a veneer of artificiality has been cleared away, leaving a far clearer image of the music. It's hugely more involving and the sound now completely transcends the speakers. I had no idea that wires could do this. Putting it in context, the cables together cost about the same as an XPS DR, yet I'd say that the incremental difference is a lot bigger - though of course they are building on a system with the power supply already in place. 

The point of this little post is simply to say that midrange electronics - or mine at least - benefit massively from the cables. Those who want more from their setup but who don't want to change boxes would do well to check them out. 

Congratulations with your upgrade. While it never has been discussed I would have expected that a system like the one you have also hugely benefits from the better cabling. It's a very often underestimated component of the total sound picture. When I heard those cables at Naim just before they became available via a statement system, it was a kind of 2 seconds experience in which I realized I needed to upgrade my cables. And at that point I didn't yet have a full 500 system.

The only unpleasant surprise was that the cost turned out to be much higher than initially quoted, but I have never looked back. Enjoy the music.

Thanks Bert. I was very surprised at the scale of the improvement. At least I've been able to do the full loom without selling a child! My middling system turns out to be more than good enough to show the benefit of the cables. The XLR cable is still improving, and will do so for a few months, by all accounts. 

Ricky Dasler posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

Listening to Lars Danielsson's excellent Liberetto album on ACT at the moment, the bass is sounding just like the real thing, like you'd hear it in a jazz club. I've never heard the double bass sound so good at home, perfectly balanced with the rest of the band, and everything seeming so right. 

Great album. Is it the high res version?

It's just the standard cd rip, but it still sounds great.