Burn In/Tune Up Discs?

Posted by: Wishyouwherehere on 12 January 2016

Hi all 

Have any of you used any of the tune up, de-mag, burn in discs that are out there at various prices? 

I ask as I've used one or two of them but, never paid for them as I think I got one free on the fount of HIFI Choice years ago and when I worked in HIFI Retail we had one we used for running in speakers.

 

This is what i think of them:

Fantastic for speeding up the bedding in of speakers in a retail envoment, wouldn't want to leave my home HIFI on for that long at high volumes which is where I think all these discs fall down. As you really can't stand to be in the same room as the sweeps are very hard on the ears, or for the amount of time some say to leave on repeat.

After using one track on the burn in CD (think it was a quick warm up track) the music did seem more open for a few songs than to my ears sounded like it went back to how the system sounded before the 3 minutes or so of warm up.

This was all a fair few yeas ago when I had Cyrus amps, a Micromega CD player with Quad Speakers. Haven't tried any form of these discs since selling my CD player and running Sonos, and now that I've moved to Naim streaming don't really see the need to use a burn in disc as lack of moving parts would surly mean less magnetic build up to de-mag.

Really just wondering what others thoughts are on this, could be interesting.          

Posted on: 12 January 2016 by Knipester

I posted previously about how I utilised a tellurium q burn in/ refresh Cd/download and it created quite a stir on here... Usually split of believers (mainly who have tried the stuff) & this non-beliverers (all hadn't tried th disc).

i definately think it speeded up the burning in of my new tellurium q black diamond cables.

Posted on: 13 January 2016 by Adam Zielinski

Agree with Knipster. I also use TQ disc - for burning in and now for regular system refreshes. Happy with the results.

Posted on: 13 January 2016 by TOBYJUG

I have a dmag and burn in cd ripped in my userve that I use,  clears static and other nasties left over from noisy mains from building up.  Happy with the results.

Also recommend using Nordost anti static spray on cables and support surfaces when breaking down the system to clean off dust every few months or so, along with Kontak contact cleaner on connections and plug ends.

Posted on: 13 January 2016 by joerand
TOBYJUG posted:

I have a dmag and burn in cd ripped in my userve that I use,  clears static and other nasties left over from noisy mains from building up.  

Jesus! What could possibly be the physical mechanism involved in that purported process?

Posted on: 13 January 2016 by TOBYJUG
joerand posted:
TOBYJUG posted:

I have a dmag and burn in cd ripped in my userve that I use,  clears static and other nasties left over from noisy mains from building up.  

Jesus! What could possibly be the physical mechanism involved in that purported process?

Well it plays through the whole system and sounds the same ! 

Posted on: 13 January 2016 by joerand
TOBYJUG posted:

Well it plays through the whole system and sounds the same ! 

Sounds the same?

Exactly!

But at least the static and other nasties are magically gone.

Posted on: 13 January 2016 by Hanumike

I have a Cardas Sweep Record that supposedly does a variety of things to improve the general sound of your system, (degausses entire system ? and ultrasonically cleans stylus) not tried it with the LP12 and my XS2 but would be interested to hear from any other forum members who have used one in the past or use one currently.

Posted on: 13 January 2016 by Simon-in-Suffolk

I have a burn in disc that I got bundled with some twisted pair silver played copper interconnects a few years ago. I used it to burn in the cables, but really have no way of determining whether this was preferable to regular audio programming.

Simon

Posted on: 14 January 2016 by Wishyouwherehere

Very interesting reading, might give the tellurium q burn in disc ago today. Cant do any harm really. Will report back later. 

Did the Sweep Record visibly clean your stylus, better then you could do with the right tools? 

Posted on: 14 January 2016 by Lewis

My two cents:

Two words - snake oil.

Over the years on my hifi journey I've tried various exotic methods recommended by various companies (no names mentioned) and despite wanting desperately to find an improvement, the truth is zero difference to my ears. I've tried propping cables up, noise reduction cables / plugs that go in adjacent to where the hifi is connected, burn in discs, silencers, exotic power cabling, nothing did it for me. However, it's true to say that warmer elctronics seem to perform better as I always found my system to have a sweet spot when it's been running for some time. Whether that's just because I've 'got into the zone' and therefore enter a state of heightened appreciation, or whether it's becuase it actually does sound better I do not know!

Posted on: 14 January 2016 by james n

A friend brought over some rips a few years back and one of these was of the XLO test and burn in CD. Never used it for any burn in, but the frequency sweep is great for finding rattles and buzzes, both in the speakers and in the room. Damping things that sing along with the music is pretty beneficial. 

Posted on: 14 January 2016 by TOBYJUG

For a bit of fun I have been a member of PWB Electronics mailing list..They sent me a morphic message strip, basically you write the name of the device you want upgrading" on a piece of special paper then put it in the freezer .

i have not tried it yet.. But the jist of the scientific application is that perception is influenced by many things, the suggestibility of changes with our susceptibility to recognise.  

Posted on: 14 January 2016 by Innocent Bystander

The same PWB who advocated saucers of water, perchance?

Posted on: 14 January 2016 by Hanumike

I've also got one of these which claims to demagnetise your whole system and therefore improve sound quality ?

Not used it since I got my Naim CD player so can't comment on its effectiveness I suppose it's worth a go as it only cost about a tenner back in the day.

Posted on: 14 January 2016 by Innocent Bystander
Hanumike posted:

I've also got one of these which claims to demagnetise your whole system and therefore improve sound quality ?

STOP! Ok if you have electrostatic speakers, but otherwise only use it if you want to ensure you can't disturb neighbours or other members of your household - demagnetised speakers won't emit a sound, ever again!

Amazing product - the only thing a digital signal from a CD player could possible demagnetise would be a something placed within a coil of wire attached to the power amp in place of speakers. From that I can only conclude that the disk must be a magnet, so when it rotates its oscillating magnetic field demagnetises things close enough - until the demagnetised drive motor magnets causes the CD drive itself to cease rotating...

Posted on: 14 January 2016 by Lewis

Hifi is an excellent interest but there is so much bollox involved and surrounding these snake oil products I find it disturbing. I mean I like Russ Andrews extension leads as they are simply well made nicely designed products, but the improving effects purported to be achievable by some of their product line is mind boggling. They also sell these burn in discs and CDP cleaning discs. 

Posted on: 15 January 2016 by Innocent Bystander

It was the prevalence of these things in the 1980s that made me give up reading HiFi mags, but even the dish of water had more credence than the demag CD: humidity affects sound propagation, so adding humidity in a very dry room, for example, might make some small difference, though I don't know exactly what.

At least the water was effectively zero cost - 10 quid for a CD that claims to do the impossible, and if it did work would render your system silent forever is a downright con and if I'd been tricked into buying it I'd have taken action

Posted on: 15 January 2016 by Lewis
Innocent Bystander posted:

It was the prevalence of these things in the 1980s that made me give up reading HiFi mags, but even the dish of water had more credence than the demag CD: humidity affects sound propagation, so adding humidity in a very dry room, for example, might make some small difference, though I don't know exactly what.

At least the water was effectively zero cost - 10 quid for a CD that claims to do the impossible, and if it did work would render your system silent forever is a downright con and if I'd been tricked into buying it I'd have taken action

Yes I got tired of HiFi magazines too.  I definitely believe that speaker cables and interconnects can change the sound drastically, but i've never been able to detect any audible improvements from the other products that are supposed to do the same.  They are damn expensive too!  Didn't RA have some kind of court hearing about this kind of thing, it rings a bell?