Statement...

Maybe they had too much money tied up in it and need cash flow.

Maybe the travel case is showing signs of wear.

robert- posted:

Maybe they had too much money tied up in it and need cash flow.

No, I dont think so...

Well w

jon honeyball posted:

robert- posted:

Maybe they had too much money tied up in it and need cash flow.

No, I dont think so...

Well what do you think!

does it matter? A good deal, for some lucky person with the cash to buy it at a huge discount.

joerand posted:

feeling_zen posted:

It's all relative.

You're absolutely right. It was kinda my point. $140K probably approaches the total cost of more than a few Naim systems here, and perhaps some vehicles as well. I think its great for folks that can afford those choices.  I've always been pretty happy with what I can afford and find myself fortunate. I'm glad to benefit from the trickle down of high end technology in my system and my car. Some day SuperLumina IC's may hit the s/h market at a price that could have me wondering whether I can afford one.

I argree 100%, and the only way I could afford my kit, is due to the trickle down process. 18K worth$$$$USD

It's been a year Now since I've joined the Forum, and I really like conversing with you Gents.

Funny thing occured last week,  drove over to Canada, to pick up a  demo 3 Tier Fraim Lite, after assembling the Lite, I felt great nice looking, and good deal.

My couzin dropped by, and the first words that came out of his mouth was, how much. I wanted to give him a lesson on ettiquette, but instead I immediatlly  replied 300 dollars. His expression was ok, not to bad, but still a lot for a rack! If I told him $300 per shelf, you get where I'm headed. So in short, we're all Blessed, just being a member of the Forum.

 Well...., I guess the main reason I enjoy the Forum, anyone else I converse with would think I'm nuts.

Enjoy your gear!!!!!

joerand posted:

$140,000 will buy a respectable 3 bedroom starter home on a nice sized lot throughout much of middle America.

Unfortunately a respectable 3 bedroom starter home in middle America is of little use to me because I live in the north west of England.   A Statement system on the other hand would be of immense use.

But unfortunately, I can afford neither.

(yet another really informative reply from me, don't you think?  - answers on a postcard to Richard Dane please)

jon honeyball posted:

Ah its the UHES set? I can vouch that the preamp is utterly wonderful, having had it in my active dibble system for a week. And yes, it must be upwards of a year old now, well travelled and most definitely done its work as demo stock!

Think they took delivery in Oct or Nov 2014.

rjstaines posted:

joerand posted:

$140,000 will buy a respectable 3 bedroom starter home on a nice sized lot throughout much of middle America.

Unfortunately a respectable 3 bedroom starter home in middle America is of little use to me because I live in the north west of England.   A Statement system on the other hand would be of immense use.

But unfortunately, I can afford neither.

(yet another really informative reply from me, don't you think?  - answers on a postcard to Richard Dane please)

Can pretty much guarantee that Statement will sound a lot better than a 3 bedroom starter home in the US, too.

Not sure I really understand the point of the comparison anyway.  Someone with funds to afford a full Statement system won't be living in a 3 bed starter home anywhere.

Graham Clarke posted:

 

 Someone with funds to afford a full Statement system won't be living in a 3 bed starter home anywhere.

Depends purely on priorities.

As UHES themselves say it really boils down to one thing with Hi-fi.

Either the system is engaging, or it isn't.

And as we all know, starting from Mu-so, Naim systems are engaging.

but it is nice to dream about the statement.....

Graham Clarke posted:

rjstaines posted:

joerand posted:

$140,000 will buy a respectable 3 bedroom starter home on a nice sized lot throughout much of middle America.

Unfortunately a respectable 3 bedroom starter home in middle America is of little use to me because I live in the north west of England.   A Statement system on the other hand would be of immense use.

But unfortunately, I can afford neither.

(yet another really informative reply from me, don't you think?  - answers on a postcard to Richard Dane please)

Can pretty much guarantee that Statement will sound a lot better than a 3 bedroom starter home in the US, too.

Not sure I really understand the point of the comparison anyway.  Someone with funds to afford a full Statement system won't be living in a 3 bed starter home anywhere.

Err no that is my point. In many parts of the world a 3 bedroom flat is not a starter home but the considerd the plush pad and goes for a cool million dollars (New York, London, Tokyo, many capitals in Europe). So many people can afford a Statement (wanting it or being interested is another matter) but no way are they going to have any practical way to use it. I think that counts for the majority of people with the funds to buy a Statement but not the space for it.

This comment from someone with a nice apartment in the right area but has to squeeze 3 racks of gear into the corner of the kitchen because that is all there is to play with space-wise.

feeling_zen posted:

This comment from someone with a nice apartment in the right area but has to squeeze 3 racks of gear into the corner of the kitchen because that is all there is to play with space-wise.

I empathise with you f-zen, having myself moved away from the London area up here to the north west of England, there's much more space, but it's still just a little tight for getting my 3 racks into. I can only imagine the compromise I'd have had to make back down south... it wouldn't have worked at all;  I would probably have had to switch from decent audio kit to something else, fast cars perhaps?    Life in the big city can be a challenge if you like good, recorded music, and even more so if you can afford a Statement.

I suppose the good news is that I'm in the right place for a Statement; the bad news is I'm in the wrong income bracket for a Statement   

That's life !

Chris Bell posted:

I have noticed a phenomenon in ultra high-end audio where folks with the means will purchase and then sell after a few months when the next "gotta-have box" comes out.   This seems to be particularly true with very expensive speakers.

Their loss is your gain.  

The top 1 percenters probably. They can share some of their wealth with me by passing on their old unwanted Statement gear to me FOC!

@rjstains, off topic but regardless of income, to live in the city is often to be poor in everything that matters. I'd rather have a Muso in the country with room for a herb garden than a Statement in the city.

Foot tapper posted:

No need to worry; I've just bought it.  

I was looking for a compact 3 box amp to drive the PMC DB1i speakers in the office and it seemed to fit the bill (as it were).

Source first and all that.

Liar liar PANTS-ON-FIRE!

Is it a reflection of the state of economy? Dealers letting go at cost or near cost before payment terms hit and they are caught with a unit they cannot move.

engjoo posted:

Is it a reflection of the state of economy? Dealers letting go at cost or near cost before payment terms hit and they are caught with a unit they cannot move.

As commented above, I think dealers typically shift their demonstration gear on each year.  I suspect over the next few months there will be several Statements available ex-demo as the usual rotation occurs.

feeling_zen posted:

@rjstains, off topic but regardless of income, to live in the city is often to be poor in everything that matters. I'd rather have a Muso in the country with room for a herb garden than a Statement in the city.

Off topic ... but I can never decide.  If in the country there is less opportunity for concerts, etc. vs the advantage of clean air and space.

Many dealers shift their demo stock each year. They can usually get wholesale prices or a bit above. It makes sense to re-stock with the latest versions. If you've got the necessary £100k lying around, you've got to make it work these days, the banks won't make it work for you. If you hang on to your demo stock too long, it will depreciate below the re-stock (wholesale) price and you're doomed !

Let's hope Norman finds a happy buyer soon.

ken c posted:

No, i havent bought one. But just found out that they are appearing in the x-dem market already, and for what seems a very good price... !

Maybe... 

enjoy...

ken

ken,

the S1 can be bought separately.................pro-rata ? with a part exchange for your 552.............."maybe" isn't so far away.........

When I and the team sanctioned the statement project of course we had concerns on the cost, the market of people who could afford it,  the message about naim ethics all had to be covered. Naim for many in the hi end community is considered mid Fi because of size and more importantly price. Of course we have all heard systems which cost zillions and sound worse than a nait or 250 systems on our musical criteria terms. But Statement was not about fulfilling a criteria of more money must be good for sales but reset our audio performance bar from which we could learn. It was about giving our wonderful designers a challenge to enhance of products and work on a project like this. If you consider the product and just what's in it never mind the r&d cost it's incredible and the cost reflects the design and parts used.

It was a fantastic challenge for our manufacturing team and for our retailers world wide,a true show piece a Statement of naims intent to push replay in the home to another level. The investment for a retailer is huge and remember we are talking small business's so this Must be managed. I have not spoken with the retailer and I am sure they would love to keep it, I am sure they are not revolving demo stock on sound purposes but the financial return. We understand there is a limited market for this product but it has sold 3 times more already than our forecast.

we also launched Muso at the other end of the scale offered dr upgrades for existing customers etc 

hope this gives you some back ground, there is much more but this outline covers many points to think  about.

Statement we love it! - more Music 

Paul,

I think it's brilliant that Naim have product at all price levels now.

It's great that Naim are always evolving and don't change their portfolio like say a company like Audio Research.

All the it costs how much ? on audio forums when first launched was understandable but in relation to other manufactures like Vitus etc they all have pre monoblock of similar retail.

I read a top 20 amp poll and Statement was well down the list.I can't remember No 1 but I do remember at 5 was a Jadis combination which was  £ 850 000.

ATB   Ian

I read a top 20 amp poll and Statement was well down the list.I can't remember No 1 but I do remember at 5 was a Jadis combination which was  £ 850 000.

ATB   Ian

 

Makes the Statement good vfm then 

This is the nearest I'll ever get to owning a Statement...