iFi "iPower" SMPS - carried over from HiFi Corner
Posted by: Mike-B on 13 January 2016
I've been listening to the iFi iPower and in summary at £40 it is one on the best VFM upgrades I have made.
Like Mike sayes the improvements are subtle but they are unmistakable and very worthwhile. I will try to detail what improvements I have heard.
Firstly there is a little more space and air around instruments and lead instruments/vocals don't over-dominate which was (is now) apparent previously. There is a little better balance with backing/supporting instruments/vocals more evident. In some ways, music is presented in a slightly more relaxed manner on some tracks, in some ways less impressive but better able to draw you in and therefore all the more impressive if that makes any sense. Vocals are a tad cleaner with slightly better articulation and hence lyrics a tad more comprehensible. Bass is slightly firmer on some tracks and easier to follow when the music gets complex. One thing the iPower couldn't do was tame extreme sibilance on one particular test track but I think this was poorly recorded in the first place so no hope I would say. I am still listening to the iPower as I type and am hearing again that better balance of instruments I have already mentioned. Quite impressive IMHO.
I say again these are not night and day difference with the iPower, subtle at least, but improvements are noticeable and worth having.
You can't hear 'noise' when it invades your network but you sure can hear the improvement when said noise is reduced.
Best £40 I have spent for sure.
Great report Nigel, you have heard it just like myself - as you say its not night & day, but maybe a bit more than subtle once your ears are tuned in.
The new Meicord ethernets arrived today & that's added some more, including the confusion factor as now I'm not sure if the change is the iPower or Meicord.
Mike - Thanks for the tip about the iFi iPower, great value upgrade IMHO.
I would be interested to hear more about your ethernet cable changes. Why you changed (other than the broken clips), what the new cables have given in terms of SQ and the pros and cons of screened vs non-screened Ethernet cables.
Still think you should have gone for AudioQuest Vodka though.
Mike - look forward to your further observations on Ethernet cables.
Back to the iPower. I have been so impressed with it considering its low cost, I was wondering if there could also be benefits using it on other network devices using SMPSs. I have a Unitiserve and already have....ahem......a pukka linear power supply on it which I must say had moved the SQ on markedly. However I note that my BT Home Hub 5 router had a crappy SMPS on it. Do you think there are any technical reasons why a better SMPS (like the iPower) might bring SQ benefits on a router? Can a router with an average SMPS introduce noise into a network?
If Simon in Suffolk is watching (and others with experience here) I would be interested in your thoughts too.
Sorry to bug you but I really think you are on to something by reducing noise from network device SMPSs without resorting to linear power supplies.
Mike-B posted:Hi Dave, taking it from the top: [snip]
Thanks for the generous response, Mike. And thanks to both you and Nigel for sharing conclusions. I think I'll get a USB stick out and try a few things out myself. Be interesting to see if anything else crops up in this thread.
I confess that the issue of whether the cable shields carry noise and how to ensure they're properly grounded is something I'm similarly unclear on. But I think I remember an attempt (by Huge, perhaps?) to put together some kind of guide. Will have a search.
I think this kind of stuff is something a lot of us would probably do well to pay more attention to, even (or especially) if space/practicality means that we can't always ensure optimal cable dressing or plug siting etc. Potential free upgrades, effectively. The best kind
nigelb posted:I was wondering if there could also be benefits using it on other network devices using SMPSs. .............. I note that my BT Home Hub 5 router had a crappy SMPS on it. Do you think there are any technical reasons why a better SMPS (like the iPower) might bring SQ benefits on a router? Can a router with an average SMPS introduce noise into a network?
Dave***t posted:Mike-B posted:Hi Dave, taking it from the top: [snip]Thanks for the generous response, Mike. And thanks to both you and Nigel for sharing conclusions. I think I'll get a USB stick out and try a few things out myself. Be interesting to see if anything else crops up in this thread.
I confess that the issue of whether the cable shields carry noise and how to ensure they're properly grounded is something I'm similarly unclear on. But I think I remember an attempt (by Huge, perhaps?) to put together some kind of guide. Will have a search.
I think this kind of stuff is something a lot of us would probably do well to pay more attention to, even (or especially) if space/practicality means that we can't always ensure optimal cable dressing or plug siting etc. Potential free upgrades, effectively. The best kind
My past and especially my more recent experiences of 'cleaning up' my LAN have brought significant improvements to the SQ of my streaming audio. That makes me think that there maybe many sub-optimal LANs out there (including mine to some extent) that are letting down Naim systems upstream of the LAN.
I am not sure if it has been done on here before but there might be some merit in forumites compiling 10 dos and don'ts to optimise a LAN. I realise there is a lot of argument out there over LANs, ethernet cables and 0's and 1's generally but a properly implemented LAN has a significant influence on upstream SQ IMHO. So I think a simple guide on how to implement a LAN could be very useful and provide a free of charge, or a low cost, upgrade to many.
If there is interest out there for such a guide, maybe those with experience could contribute their (say) 10 tips to optimise your LAN and see where it goes. I might need to start a new thread to see if there is any interest.
Many (most?) of us these days have streaming systems but many (including me) have little knowledge on how to implement an optimal LAN - the building block for a great streaming system.
Any thoughts out there?
Mike-B posted:nigelb posted:I was wondering if there could also be benefits using it on other network devices using SMPSs. .............. I note that my BT Home Hub 5 router had a crappy SMPS on it. Do you think there are any technical reasons why a better SMPS (like the iPower) might bring SQ benefits on a router? Can a router with an average SMPS introduce noise into a network?
The BT SMPS is labelled 12V 1500mA. = 18W. I've found some www forum info that says HH5 idles ~5.4W.The iPower is rated at 12V 1.1A = 13.2W so it should be OKI'm not sure it will bring any changes to your system SQ unless (maybe) its plugged into the same & close to the Naim power circuit
Thanks Mike. The iPower appears to have the electrical capability to power the BT HH5. I was wondering if the BT SMPS/Hub has the potential to introduce noise, and if the noise-cancelling technology of the iPower could usefully reduce it. I already have my network devices (switch, router, server) separated physically and electrically (as much as possible) from my Naim black boxes.
I guess the only way is to try it.
nigelb posted:Dave***t posted:Mike-B posted:Hi Dave, taking it from the top: [snip]Thanks for the generous response, Mike. And thanks to both you and Nigel for sharing conclusions. I think I'll get a USB stick out and try a few things out myself. Be interesting to see if anything else crops up in this thread.
I confess that the issue of whether the cable shields carry noise and how to ensure they're properly grounded is something I'm similarly unclear on. But I think I remember an attempt (by Huge, perhaps?) to put together some kind of guide. Will have a search.
I think this kind of stuff is something a lot of us would probably do well to pay more attention to, even (or especially) if space/practicality means that we can't always ensure optimal cable dressing or plug siting etc. Potential free upgrades, effectively. The best kind
My past and especially my more recent experiences of 'cleaning up' my LAN have brought significant improvements to the SQ of my streaming audio. That makes me think that there maybe many sub-optimal LANs out there (including mine to some extent) that are letting down Naim systems upstream of the LAN.
I am not sure if it has been done on here before but there might be some merit in forumites compiling 10 dos and don'ts to optimise a LAN. I realise there is a lot of argument out there over LANs, ethernet cables and 0's and 1's generally but a properly implemented LAN has a significant influence on upstream SQ IMHO. So I think a simple guide on how to implement a LAN could be very useful and provide a free of charge, or a low cost, upgrade to many.
If there is interest out there for such a guide, maybe those with experience could contribute their (say) 10 tips to optimise your LAN and see where it goes. I might need to start a new thread to see if there is any interest.
Many (most?) of us these days have streaming systems but many (including me) have little knowledge on how to implement an optimal LAN - the building block for a great streaming system.
Any thoughts out there?
Found the thread I mentioned, complete with still working link to the guide that resulted. Could be a good starting point for the tips discussion.
nigelb posted:I already have my network devices (switch, router, server) separated physically and electrically (as much as possible) from my Naim black boxes. I guess the only way is to try it.
No harm to try, but with it separated from the Naim stuff I have doubts about the effects.
Dave***t posted:If there is interest out there for such a guide, maybe those with experience could contribute their (say) 10 tips to optimise your LAN and see where it goes. I might need to start a new thread to see if there is any interest.
Many (most?) of us these days have streaming systems but many (including me) have little knowledge on how to implement an optimal LAN - the building block for a great streaming system.
Any thoughts out there?
Found the thread I mentioned, complete with still working link to the guide that resulted. Could be a good starting point for the tips discussion.


And also common mode RF is only one of the Ethernet variables. I also found the UPnP media server and its TCP parameters along with the amount of broadcast traffic on the LAN can have a marked effect (with some firmwares). Currently I am noticing a difference between a MinimServer running on a RPi2 and Asset running on a RPi, with the latter sounding preferable and more open. I will look into this further.
Simon
Nice one chaps. I think it is always a good idea to remind the forum of good guides like this when the topic concerned rears its ugly head - it certainly passed me by.
No point reinventing the wheel but it would be good to add any new learnings.
I'm trying to piece together the reasoning behind the latter parts of that guide, when it comes to STP, UTP and unshielded couplers.
As a simple rule of thumb for LAN grounding, am I right in thinking that what you want is just one grounding point (probably at the streamer, in this case)?
Which would imply that in a network involving at least some STP cables, which has more than one grounded piece of equipment, and assuming that the switch(es) carry the shield through (ie have metal port surrounds), you'd want a UTP cable or an unshielded coupler at some point between the two grounded pieces...?
It all seems quite arcane, but I sense there's something fairly simple behind it.
If I've got it somewhere near right, that'd make sense of the fact that the switch I have closest to the Naim has an exterior ground screw on it like some phono preamps - it'd be for instances where nothing connected to it has its own ground. So not needed here, because the Naim is grounded.
Apologies, BTW, if this is getting off topic. Could make a new thread if it's doing anyone's head in.
Thanks Mike - very interesting.
If I may stay off topic a little longer, have you now gone for screened or non-screened ethernet cables and why? Apologies if this has been explained earlier but I am getting a little confused over the relative merits of screened vs non-screened.
Cheers
N
Mike-B posted:...................... Anyhow, to the Meicord Opal's: They are thinner than the old Supra Cat7, but surprisingly stiff compared to another Cat6 I have. The plugs are excellent quality & the clips appear a lot more robust.The change in sound was surprising as I really wasn't expecting too much if anything. The problem is the SQ changes with the iPower & now the Meicord's are a bit blurred. However I pretty certain the Meicord's have bought a change for the better with clarity, definition & dynamics. Anyhow, about to start another listening session. Maybe some more later
Re the Meicord ethernet cables. I am a little surprised because I can hear a difference but am less surprised now after reading up on a possible reason why this might be.
nigelb posted:Thanks Mike - very interesting. If I may stay off topic a little longer, have you now gone for screened or non-screened ethernet cables and why? Apologies if this has been explained earlier but I am getting a little confused over the relative merits of screened vs non-screened.
Sorry Nigel I found an error in my post & had to edit it, & as it was past the 15 minute limit I had to copy/delete/paste/edit, so its now out of sync with your post.
Mike - Thanks for the clarification.
Now back to the topic of the thread. Should I take a £40 punt on another iPower for my router? Umm....as my Mum always says, quit while you are ahead. But I have always been a bit of a gambler and my last £40 punt paid off. Tricky one!
Mike-B posted:Anyhow, to the Meicord Opal's: They are thinner than the old Supra Cat7, but surprisingly stiff compared to another Cat6 I have. The plugs are excellent quality & the clips appear a lot more robust.The change in sound was surprising as I really wasn't expecting too much if anything. The problem is the SQ changes with the iPower & now the Meicord's are a bit blurred. However I pretty certain the Meicord's have bought a change for the better with clarity, definition & dynamics. Anyhow, about to start another listening session. Maybe some more later
Mike, yes, in my experience connectors and connector connections are so important, and carelessly breaking the geometry of the twisted pairs will break the balance and impedance.. and of course if the impedance varies by a significant amount then the reflections and the SWR will increase, though I doubt there will be big issues here ... However I suspect more affects will be down to the geometry errors of the twisted pairs at the connectors... and of course similar things can happen with coax into a phono connector (phono SPDIF)
Simon
Thanks for rounding off the ethernet bit. Interesting stuff.
All I would say is if you can borrow some, try a nip of Vodka - you might get addicted. If you want high quality plugs, take a look at those on the AQ Vodka. If you are able to try them, I would be very interested in your findings vs Meicord Opals.
I do of course fully understand if you have had enough of this by now.
Hi Nigel, yup I'm all out of keen w.r.t. ethernet ........... that said & talking of Vodka, I was reading a techie test this afternoon where a Vodka came out worse. It confirmed my posts assumptions re the importance of maintaining twisted pair geometry ...... the test report used a Fluke network analyser that produced data & graphics & compared a Belkin Cat-6a & Vodka (Cat-7) Because there is no Cat-7 standard the Vodka was tested to Cat-6a & the results were "marginal pass” for NEXT (near end crosstalk) . It was thought the marginal performance was not helped by the twisted pair geometry not being carried thru in the Vodka's RJ45 PCB section.
Fair enough but did anyone bother to 'listen' to the Vodka cable in this techie test? I am not a techie myself but there must be more to it than 'twisted pair geometry'. Or maybe I am just addicted to Vodka!
As you so rightly say, what do I know?