CD cover resolution issue on n-stream

Posted by: marcobb on 29 May 2011

Hi naim support,

 

I had scan the high resolution cd cover but why displayed a low resolution on n-stream (ipad) ?

 

Thanks,

marcobb

Posted on: 31 May 2011 by Phil Harris

Hi Marcobb,

 

As per the sticky at the top of each forum - to contact naim support please email either me - Phil Harris - or Steve Hopkins on support@naimaudio.com ... otherwise posts asking for support will often get lost in teh general forum noise.

 

As for your question - the servers pre-generate cover art images of 60x60, 120x120 and 240x240 (approx) pixels from the original cover art and cache those to increase the speed of operation. It is the cached images that are used, not the original graphic.

 

Cheers

 

Phil

Posted on: 01 June 2011 by marcobb
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:

Hi Marcobb,

 

As per the sticky at the top of each forum - to contact naim support please email either me - Phil Harris - or Steve Hopkins on support@naimaudio.com ... otherwise posts asking for support will often get lost in teh general forum noise.

 

As for your question - the servers pre-generate cover art images of 60x60, 120x120 and 240x240 (approx) pixels from the original cover art and cache those to increase the speed of operation. It is the cached images that are used, not the original graphic.

 

Cheers

 

Phil

Hi Phil,

 

But my NAS UPnP Server already set use the original size.

 

Cheers,

Marco

Posted on: 01 June 2011 by Phil Harris

What NAS are you using as your UPnP server? I suspect that the UPnP server itself is scaling the images which is perfectly feasible...

 

Phil

Posted on: 01 June 2011 by marcobb
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:

What NAS are you using as your UPnP server? I suspect that the UPnP server itself is scaling the images which is perfectly feasible...

 

Phil

I am using the Synology 211j.

Posted on: 01 June 2011 by Phil Harris

Unfortunately I don't have one of those to test here - I suspect the UPnP server is rescaling the image as both n-Serve and n-Stream are capable of using whatever size of cover art image they are given.

 

Cheers

 

Phil

Posted on: 01 June 2011 by marcobb
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:

Unfortunately I don't have one of those to test here - I suspect the UPnP server is rescaling the image as both n-Serve and n-Stream are capable of using whatever size of cover art image they are given.

 

Cheers

 

Phil

Hi Phil,

 

Attached for your reference.

 

I already un-tick the Transmit low resolution images instead of the original one.

 

Posted on: 01 June 2011 by Rich27
The synology NAS only transmits an image 100 x 100 maximum, it is the upnp server not the app that is the limitation.
Posted on: 01 June 2011 by marcobb
Originally Posted by Rich27:
The synology NAS only transmits an image 100 x 100 maximum, it is the upnp server not the app that is the limitation.

Oh.....Thanks for your information.

Posted on: 01 June 2011 by Tog
You need MiniDLNA on a Vortexbox as it will send artwork at any resolution you want. Tog
Posted on: 01 June 2011 by marcobb
Originally Posted by Tog:
You need MiniDLNA on a Vortexbox as it will send artwork at any resolution you want. Tog

Do you know any solution on synology ?

Posted on: 02 June 2011 by sondek71

marcobb,

 

I have had the same problem on my iPad: only low-res pictures using n-Stream V2.1.

 

My setup: 

  • Twonky 6.0.32 as UPnP Server, 
  • all Tags incl Cover Art are included in the FLAC Files. 
  • Twonky has - just as your Synology Server - the "Transcode option" set to off. So full resolution picts should be used on the Control Point....

I resolved my problem by a comment on a NAIM competitors forum..... 

 

Here you go: 

 

Source: http://forums.linn.co.uk/bb/showthread.php?tid=9606

 

Comment: 

RE: Album Artwork issue

Hi

The very first versions of 6 had a bug which only showed up when it was set to one of the new media receiver entries (Asset Control, Chorus, Songbook or Limn DS Control point); that's why it wasn't spotted by the Twonky staff. These 4 entries tell Twonky to send full resolution art to the MAC address they are selected against and that feature didn't correctly work for Folder.jpg in the first T6 (though files with embedded art were okay) but this was fixed as soon as I'd pointed it out (I think in 6.0.28) so the newer versions are fine. 

One thing to note is that many folks have both embedded art and Folder.jpg files. Where there were both, Twonky 5.1 would pick the Folder.jpg whereas Twonky 6 picks the embedded. If there are both types and there is a problem with the embedded art, Twonky 6 will show no art (or even a download error) even if the Folder.jpg is okay. Oddly, all my art shows fine (I use only embedded for almost 31000 FLAC files) but some folks collections seem to be missing about 5% to 10% of the art. I've sent a 'faulty' file to Twonky to look at the embedded art as I've no idea what's causing the issue (on a few faulty albums I've looked at from someone else's collection, I've only been able to fix them by re-FLACing them; it's very odd). 

Bri

 

Now my Twonky settings look the following:

 

My NDX is IP Address 192.168.1.5

 

Obviously the bug mentioned in the above comment is still not resolved by Twonky or it has gotten back into their codebase.....

 

 

 

Posted on: 02 June 2011 by sondek71

What I mean: 

  • @marcobb: You might want to be using Twonky on your Synology....I haved tested 8 different UPnP Servers (on a Mac Mini Server) of which Twonky is today the most complete solution for the NDX.
  • @Phil: NAIM should point out to Twonky to add NAIM n-Stream/n-Serve to the list of the Control Points and let this CP handle high-res pictures the same way as the competitor from Glasgow obviously already did successfully. 
  • Otherwise I expect that in this forum many others will sooner or later fall over the same "problem" as I did. I know that there are other forum members out there using Twonky too.

Many thanks,

 

sondek71

Posted on: 03 June 2011 by meissmar

I am using Twonky too and am having the same problem. Went from 5.1 (which had this problem) to 6.0.30 and it seems to be better, but still not as good as the jpg I saved.

Posted on: 04 June 2011 by Tog

I have had only limited experience of Twonky on OSX and Linux - but that experience was far from positive.

 

In terms of cover art I avoid embedding and find that the relatively simple cover.jpg in each folder is pretty foolproof and easy to edit.

 

Tog

 

Posted on: 04 June 2011 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Hi,
Several have given their views. I have recently used an NDX and have decided to purchase it.
I use WAV because of reasons that are discussed / argued to death elsewhere. But to my ears wave files  sound better with Naim, certainly NDX, than FLACs.
Naim doesn't recover the id3 tags or art from wavs, it relies on UPNP server to send them.
Twonky, which I have used for several years, won't read into id3 tags or art within wavs.

Therefore reluctantly I have stopped using it and the  software I use to stream now that reads id3 wave tags and sends hires album art is Asset UPNP. It even supports real time transcoding of FLACs to WAVEs.

Worth a try.

Simon
Posted on: 04 June 2011 by Hook
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:
Hi,
Several have given their views. I have recently used an NDX and have decided to purchase it.
I use WAV because of reasons that are discussed / argued to death elsewhere. But to my ears wave files  sound better with Naim, certainly NDX, than FLACs.
Naim doesn't recover the id3 tags or art from wavs, it relies on UPNP server to send them.
Twonky, which I have used for several years, won't read into id3 tags or art within wavs.

Therefore reluctantly I have stopped using it and the  software I use to stream now that reads id3 wave tags and sends hires album art is Asset UPNP. It even supports real time transcoding of FLACs to WAVEs.

Worth a try.

Simon

 

Hi Simon -

 

Are you using a NAS running WHS? 

 

Or are you doing two hops (NAS to PC/WHS/Asset to NDX)?

 

Thanks.

 

Hook

Posted on: 04 June 2011 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Hook, it's the latter, NAS to PC running Asset to NDX. Downside? If PC gone to sleep I need to wake it to stream, I can live with that until a build a little WHS.
Simon