'Golden' Ears

wenger2015 posted:

Humour is good for the soul, just like music...

Hear... hear ...!!

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ken

George Fredrik Fiske posted:

Music is not laughing matter. Look up to the edited post!

Of course Bach would have been appalled. Gounod’s arrangement used misses a crucial harmonic shift by removing one bar of the original music!

ATB from George

 

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ken

Sorry to be a musical pedant as well a lover of it!

Thanks Ken, appreciate the support...

The trouble with the internet is that it conveys music better than subtle humour. Both of you missed my point about Bach being appalled. For example! The arrangement - yes - but the performance. I cannot say but I would guess he would have been moved to tears of joy.

ATB from George

George Fredrik Fiske posted:

The trouble with the internet is that it conveys music better than subtle humour. Both of you missed my point about Bach being appalled. For example! The arrangement - yes - but the performance. I cannot say but I would guess he would have been moved to tears of joy.

ATB from George

you are right George -- totally missed it!! ... 

you know a LOT more than me about this genre... its pearls to pigs here...

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ken

I hate listening to Hifi at the dealers and picking a preference. Listening to speakers is particularly trying. A few years ago I tried a few speakers: Regas, PMCs and some Spendors. The Regas were dreadful and I preferred the Spendors and took them home for a trial, liked them and bought them. The dealer had tried to persuade me that the PMCs were better, but I would not be persuaded. As the Spendors ran in, the bass increased so much that I sold them, and later got the PMCs, which I really liked. So it's probably a case of cloth ears!

I bought my current system without audition, apart from the speakers, which I'd owned previously and therefore knew would work in my room. I really could not be bothered to spend hours in the dem room picking the 272/250 or NDX/SN2 apart.

I'm hopeless at describing differences in any meaningful way - I always resort to 'more natural', 'more engaging' and the like. Another Forum member came round the other day and was talking about integration of bass, middle and treble, and their position in the soundstage - which was something I'd never thought about in over thirty years of Naim ownership. If it stirs my soul, and gets my foot tapping or my head nodding, it's good for me. But it's the sort of expression that is not very helpful to others. Ho hum. 

Yep George, missed it also....at least I'm in good company...

What a score looks like with the music played in the back-ground!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWEVKyEwi4A

 ATB from George

You may observe that the speed is by no means exactly constant!

Hungryhalibut posted:

I hate listening to Hifi at the dealers and picking a preference. Listening to speakers is particularly trying. A few years ago I tried a few speakers: Regas, PMCs and some Spendors.

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I'm hopeless at describing differences in any meaningful way - I always resort to 'more natural', 'more engaging' and the like. Another Forum member came round the other day and was talking about integration of bass, middle and treble, and their position in the soundstage - which was something I'd never thought about in over thirty years of Naim ownership. If it stirs my soul, and gets my foot tapping or my head nodding, it's good for me. But it's the sort of expression that is not very helpful to others. Ho hum. 

same here Nigel. the last time i did this sort of at dealer comparison was at Infidelity when i was comparing cartridges. at one point, i just said to the guys -- lets cust this real short and i will just select one between TKR and Kandid. Oh no, they said - bless them -- you have to also listen to Kiseki Blue -- and i think another one. Of course they were right, and i learnt a lot from the process. i ended up with the TKR but could also have easily gone for the Kandid. I also liked the unique signature of the Kiseki.

i like your "If it stirs my soul..." ad to me this is a very meaningful way of describing differences, in my view. So it seems your "...I'm hopeless at describing differences in any meaningful way" is definitely not correct... 

enjoy...

ken

I think a lot of this is down to expectations and what one is listening for during playback.  I've invested a fairly significant amount of money in a vinyl playback system and sometimes find it difficult to just relax and enjoy the music; because my expectations are so high I am listening for cues as to the quality of the vocal and the timing etc. etc. This is particularly the case after any kind of upgrade.  In the kitchen, on the other hand, when I listen to CD playback on a Roberts radio/CD player, I'm happy just to enjoy the music.

bluedog posted:

I think a lot of this is down to expectations and what one is listening for during playback.  I've invested a fairly significant amount of money in a vinyl playback system and sometimes find it difficult to just relax and enjoy the music; because my expectations are so high I am listening for cues as to the quality of the vocal and the timing etc. etc. This is particularly the case after any kind of upgrade.  In the kitchen, on the other hand, when I listen to CD playback on a Roberts radio/CD player, I'm happy just to enjoy the music.

Edwyn Collins wrote a wonderful song called 'low expectations', it might be worth seeking out. Stuff like Art Pepper (I looked at your profile) is just so brilliant that there has to be a way of stopping expectations preventing immersion in the music. You wouldn't do it at the Village Vanguard, so perhaps sit at home with a glass of wine and get people to clank glasses in the background. You could always downsize the record player a little!

Hungryhalibut posted:

If it stirs my soul, and gets my foot tapping or my head nodding, it's good for me. 

I'm with you there Nigel. 

james n posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

If it stirs my soul, and gets my foot tapping or my head nodding, it's good for me. 

I'm with you there Nigel. 

Absolutely, head nodding is always a good sign for me.