PMC Fact3 experience

Posted by: Jude2012 on 04 February 2016

Greetings,

I thought it would be of value in sharing my experience so that anyone in a similar position may draw some insight.

After home demoing these some 8 eight months ago in the quest for better speakers - mission accomplished?

Buying experience
This was brilliant, for what could have been a daunting and fraught experience of: buying via phone and web from a dealer c140 miles away, and taking the ex demo condition on faith. Not to mention, courier delivery and pick up of my GB1is in exchange. Amazing price, too.

Aesthetics , unpacking and set up
The packaging was excellent. PMC have clearly put a lot of thought into making it easy with the purpose built sands that are easy to assemble as well as the inclusion of a spirit level and cleaning cloth - inspiring. The tricky bit is adjusting the relatively small carpet spikes to get them level and compensate for unevenness of the carpet and underlay. Any tips would be welcome.

They look amazing in poplar with matching black/poplar stands (thankfully not the advertised chrome ones) and 'infinity' grills.

Previous dialogue with PMC confirmed that Fact3s are not popular in the UK because of their proportions (a half way house between a stand mount and floor stander) making finding a used/ex demo pair difficult. However, this also reflects their low ex demo price 

Sound
Well this is what really matters to us. From the opening 30 seconds (cold speakers, cold system, and settling of ferro fluid from transport) to almost continuous 72 hours of in depth and causal listening to music and films, one thing is clear- the sound is even better than the previous home demo. Where do I start is describing it?

Well, as expected there is the clarity, transparency and speed.

What is dawning on us afresh though, is the ability it has in resolving timbre and tone of instruments and subtleties in rhythms.

Coupled with this, is the sense of hearing the track as a single coherent delivery from HF to LF and in timing but wth all instruments and vocals distinguished individually at the same time.

Bass lines are clear even in difficult recordings (for example I can hear what Bruce Foxton's bass guitar is doing clearly for the first time in 'Start' by the Jam). The treble seems to go on for ever and voices are just so real.

We've experimented with the Fact's tone controls and have left them in the flat settings for the mo. The speakers are in pretty much the same position as the GB1is and there's no hint of boom or shrill. Taking the grills off I can feel air pumping out of the mid/bass drivers and transmission line vents (NAC volume at 7:40)

Soundstage, well it's no smaller than the GB1i and its possible to identify in 3D (on some tracks) where musicians are. However, we have been so absorbed by what's gong on 'on the stage' and haven't focused on these aspects.

Other thoughts
I was impressed by the ATC SCM40 and due its size wanted to pursue the SCM19 instead. However, I didn't get around to demons the 19s. I also wanted to demo the Ovator S400s, and although demoed them twice at two different dealers, have not demoed them at home. The ProAc D20Rs were fab at a dealer, too. This process has taught me so much about speakers. The PMC 23,24 and 26 were ruled out as they were not much of an SQ improvement for the price and/or too large. If the opportunity for the Fact3s did not come up, I have a feeling that I would have ended up with the SCM19s.

After the first 24 hours with the Fact3, any feeling of lost opportunity has gone - going for the 19s would have mean't faffing in finding a stand. With the S400 there would have been issue of size and finding a suitable position in the living room. The ProAcs - their bass may have been an issue in my room.

In terms of upgrades upstream, the doors are still wide open for transport, source, PSU for the pre, or power amp changes. The Fact3's ease of drive also leaves the door open for a 200DR - no increase in box or cable count

Conclusions
I now know much more about the capability of everything upstream. This is a great sense of satisfaction in Naim (as well as: Apple, Audirvana, Wireworld and Chord). No pervasive tweaks to the Mac, dedicated transport appliance, or dedicated analogue circuitry PSU for the 282, and 'only' the humble V1- yet the system is sounding just terrific.

Downsides- background listening became very difficult when the 282 was introduced into my set up. Now, it's impossible 

Mission accomplished? Yes!

I hope that this post has not been too analytical or self indulgent.

I also want to thank forum members who have shared their experiences with speakers, as speakers are challenging to get right.

Jude 

 

Posted on: 04 February 2016 by k90tour2

Thanks Jude.  First write up I've seen of these. I have PMC 20-22s and I wonder how the Fact 3s would do for again. ATC 19 is the obvious alternative.

Posted on: 04 February 2016 by nitrous

Congratulations on the fact.3's! I love my fact.8's  I went to these after GB1's as well! 

Posted on: 04 February 2016 by Jude2012
k90tour2 posted:

Thanks Jude.  First write up I've seen of these. I have PMC 20-22s and I wonder how the Fact 3s would do for again. ATC 19 is the obvious alternative.

Pound for pound, could be very interesting between the 19s, 22 and Fact 3.  SQ wise perhaps subtle or not so subtle differences.

If you decide to demo, please report back. 

Jude

 

Posted on: 04 February 2016 by Jude2012
nitrous posted:

Congratulations on the fact.3's! I love my fact.8's  I went to these after GB1's as well! 

Didn't demo the 8s at home as I knew  it would a size issue.  Have had dealer and show demos though and that was the seed that led to the Fact3s 

Posted on: 04 February 2016 by RichardD

Another one here I have the fact 3s also having GB1s. The speed is amazing and are wide open. Finish is fantastic. Bass is nicely in proportion for my room 3.5m x4.7m.

I run through a p9 Apheta on a 82/sc/250.2. Will change the 82 for a 52 at some stage

Posted on: 04 February 2016 by k90tour2

Jude? Can you tell me how tall the stands are please?  Or how high off the floor the bottom of the speaker is?

Thanks if you can.

Posted on: 04 February 2016 by feeling_zen

Great write up. The PMCs seem to form a cult following in general and I've spent so long trying to weigh whether to go with top end Twenty.26 to replace my 23s or leap over to the Fact range.

Did you find the Fact3 a bit lean or cold sounding at all? I've heard so many describe this as a reason they could not settle with PMC because they loved the sound of Fact12 but needed a 500 to drive them, yet didn't get along with the Fact8 so went with something else entirely. Which I would have thought would be more bodied than the 3s yet you rarely hear much about the 3s at all so this was refreshing.

Posted on: 05 February 2016 by Jude2012
k90tour2 posted:

Jude? Can you tell me how tall the stands are please?  Or how high off the floor the bottom of the speaker is?

Thanks if you can.

Hi,

Can't say exactly at the mo as I'm away from home for a few days.  They are about the same length as the speaker itself (c 0.5m).

Should be able to be able give exact measurements next week

Jude

Posted on: 05 February 2016 by Jude2012
feeling_zen posted:

Great write up. The PMCs seem to form a cult following in general and I've spent so long trying to weigh whether to go with top end Twenty.26 to replace my 23s or leap over to the Fact range.

Did you find the Fact3 a bit lean or cold sounding at all? I've heard so many describe this as a reason they could not settle with PMC because they loved the sound of Fact12 but needed a 500 to drive them, yet didn't get along with the Fact8 so went with something else entirely. Which I would have thought would be more bodied than the 3s yet you rarely hear much about the 3s at all so this was refreshing.

To my taste, the Fact 3 or 8 are not lean or cold.  I think they are neutral and accurate, which means that if there is any warmth or harshness in the recording it comes through and vice versa.  Having said this, I've not co e across a track in my collection so far that Inorviously liked and now do not. Actually, the opposite happened (for example a hi res version f a Rolling Stones live).

The 20 series has more colour in it to appeal to a wider audience.  The 26 is similar in this respect but has more clarity and transparency like the Fact 3 and 8 (probably beacuse of the mid range dome and being three way).  There are Hifi Plus reviews of the Fact 3 and 26, which may be of use of you are unable to demo.  I would have Ben happy with the 20 series sound, the Fact sound it just our 'cup of tea'.

For me, the Fact12 is a super version of the Fact sound, giving higher levels of what the 3 and 8 do - more clarity, wider bandwidth, more power, more control, etc.

HTH

Jude

Posted on: 10 February 2016 by Jude2012
Jude2012 posted:
k90tour2 posted:

Jude? Can you tell me how tall the stands are please?  Or how high off the floor the bottom of the speaker is?

Thanks if you can.

Hi,

Can't say exactly at the mo as I'm away from home for a few days.  They are about the same length as the speaker itself (c 0.5m).

Should be able to be able give exact measurements next week

Jude

51cm from carpet to base of speaker