552 DR First Impressions

Posted by: rsch on 09 February 2016

Unpackaging and Swissvaxing

Final installation

Cables run decently behind

 

After the282 departure, i was planning an upgrade to 252 when my dealer offered an ex demo 552

(very scarce opportunity on our shores)

At the beginning it was meant to be a late 2012 unit, but  last week he called me telling .. "I have a surprise for you, I' m packing up the 552 and the psu is already DR ! "

An hour later he popped in at my workplace with the "beast"

Once at home, for a few adverse circumstances on "Une Heure De Tranquillitè" style had the

opportunity to install it only last Sunday, since such  a special event deserve all the time necessary

I began, white gloves on disassembling every Fraim Stack to insert the new boxes.

For the  record the new one i added last December was a bit loose already, despite it was re-tighthned a week later the arrival,  while the old stacks seemed fine.

On the first hour i can't say was  like turning on the light on in a dark room, but something

interesting was already showing.

On the same evening the sound was definetely opening out and yesterday and yesterday night

night even more so.

We have to bear in mind that even the 250 lied unused for 3 months

I played a good variety of records from early medieval to 70's pop rock, neo folk and electronic and

 particulary with most dense & complex music,  the most positive effect i noticed, was  the almost total lack of fatigue.

Despite even at 9/10 'o clock it seems to play quite louder and with bigger scale than before,

i no longer urge to drop the  volume with loud and complex piece of music, the music flows

now naturally and effortlessy and probably there is still room for improvement with a proper

run in and warm up since i' ve been told that it saw very little use.

At the same time i' m also praising the effect of my trusty Nait XS within its obvious limits 

it's not ashamed in this company

Regards

Roberto

Posted on: 11 February 2016 by ClaudeP

Congratulations Roberto

You have a great system, and it looks fabulous too. Makes me feel like DRing my 552...

Claude

Posted on: 11 February 2016 by rsch

Hi Claude,

If  money is no object  i' ll do that asap,  moreover it seems that it  works wonder on the 300.

Which psu have you with CDS3 ?

Regards

Roberto

Posted on: 17 February 2016 by rsch

Just a quick update after a week of use.

i don't know how reliable are the following impressions since there are some factor like mains

quality day by day, individual state of mind and son on, leading to one or another conclusion.

 

Apparently, some of the early wow effect was fading away and over the weekend,  the clarity and opennes showed  at the begininning, turned into something like aggressive vocals and too much

dynamics excursion with some recordings. This is probably part of the burning in process.

Futhermore the mains plugs order on the distribution block probably was not ideal.

The order from the incoming was  1)Nap 250, 2) 552 psu, 3) 555 psu.

Later i changed to :  1) 552 psu, 2) 555 psu, 250 into another wall socket. I don' t know if this is  a better solution than plugging it together into the block since my mains circuit is  less than ideal, being the latter at the tail end of a radial circuit.

However the following day, with such arrangement, the overall balance seemed much better.

Today i 'll try  a plug arrangement into the block like this . 1)Nap 250, 2)552 psu 3) space 4 555 psu.

P.s.

A curiousity i noticed,

Recently someone with a 552 complained that  at a  fairly low level, the signal from one channel 

 was disappearing or much lower anyway.

Mine, with the pot at  point 0 (about 7 o'clock)  still  produces  a very faint

nicely matched sound left and right from the tweeters.

So i can assume that its tracking is perfectly matched on left and right channels.

Proof of this was a check i did yesterday with a multimeter, at  less than 8' o clock level, with

the balance at noon, the figures i read were pretty much the same.

Regards

Roberto

 

 

 

 

 

Posted on: 17 February 2016 by CXF04

Roberto,

Thank you for your continuing update! Your 552 impressions & expectations are important to me since I'm anticipating my own purchase in coming weeks. More than other Naim gear the 552 is characterized as redefining, but your initial engagements suggest a sound that is caustic, or aggressive. Recently I DR my power supplies & acquired new NAP300DR. From start I hated much of the sound, found it grainy, hard, edgy & at moments burden to listen to.  Several weeks have gone by & the sound is increasingly succulent if not seductive. I suspect whatever the alleged breakin window it's far longer. I just hope I'm not the one being broken in.

Has your dealer participated instillation & concerns? Please keep your impressions coming.

Posted on: 17 February 2016 by engjoo
rsch posted:
Dave***t posted:

Swissvax? Opaque?

Swissvax Nanoexpress with Microabsorb towel

 

I shall use Zymol on mine then. Where did you apply them ?

Posted on: 17 February 2016 by rsch
engjoo posted:
rsch posted:
Dave***t posted:

Swissvax? Opaque?

Swissvax Nanoexpress with Microabsorb towel

 

I shall use Zymol on mine then. Where did you apply them ?

Hello,

I assume Zymol is very similar to Swissvax, you spray a little on the foam pad, apply evenly on

your aluminium sleeves, then buff away with "MIcro absorb" pink towel.

Regards

Roberto

Posted on: 17 February 2016 by rsch
CXF04 posted:

Roberto,

Thank you for your continuing update! Your 552 impressions & expectations are important to me since I'm anticipating my own purchase in coming weeks. More than other Naim gear the 552 is characterized as redefining, but your initial engagements suggest a sound that is caustic, or aggressive. Recently I DR my power supplies & acquired new NAP300DR. From start I hated much of the sound, found it grainy, hard, edgy & at moments burden to listen to.  Several weeks have gone by & the sound is increasingly succulent if not seductive. I suspect whatever the alleged breakin window it's far longer. I just hope I'm not the one being broken in.

Has your dealer participated instillation & concerns? Please keep your impressions coming.

Hello,

I don't see a culprit into the DR, it's probably a sum of factor, like

1 the digital smear in many recordings, and the excessive level of them ( new and remastered

recordings) like Mr DB pointed out, old cds seem better than new one

2 Naim Nacs, for the reasons above, have little degree of adjustment  on volume, probably

exacerbated into little/medium rooms and medium/high effciency loudspeakers, sometimes at

9  'o clock you are already way too loud.

3 The elements downstream, 1 Naca 5, it seems that our Max B. mitigated this 

effect with a different cable, ideally would be S. Lumina.

4 Nap 250 ? I' d be tempted to try either a 200 or 250 DR.

Regards

Roberto

Posted on: 19 February 2016 by yeti42

I liked plug order from input: 555ps, SC,250 PSC, empty, TTps,when I had a 282 so have used 555ps,552ps,250, empty, empty,TTps with the 552 (new mid December 2015), sounds pretty good but I'll wait until Easter to play around, to give the 552 a full 3 months to burn in. There will also be a trial using the SC on the superline but after I know the optimum without it in the system. Some here like the power amp first but I never got on with that.

Posted on: 03 March 2016 by elkman70

Roberto,

Any further update?

Regards,

Nick

Posted on: 04 March 2016 by rsch

Hi Nick,

Well, it seems that is settling down nicely, you can  also read some comments from Max Bertola who payed me a visit this week  in the other  post " Lovely day with fellow naim forumites" 

The level of clarity and dynamics is utterly mental. Not just for the system itself but probably for the small_ishroom. I' m pretty sure that in a bigger one it could be more at ease and " stretch its legs"

Moreover as i noticed and Massimo confirmed me, even  a variation of 40/50 cm  back and forth with seating position, affects the tonal balance in the mid bass area. In fact, staying closer to loudspeakers gives a tremendous clarity and focus with  leaner mid bass. A little farther away the mid bass is fuller and more articulates ,more  similar to Massimo's  system with SBL at the expense of a little lack of focus and clarity.

Regards

Roberto

Posted on: 04 March 2016 by elkman70
rsch posted

The level of clarity and dynamics is utterly mental.

Roberto,

Sounds like you made the right choice.

I may also be joining the 552 ranks. I have one at home at the moment and it is amazing. Your sentence above is very accurate .

Regards,

Nick

Posted on: 05 March 2016 by rsch

So take the plunge, please do not hesitate !

P.s. I noitced you have Super 20, did you compare with Ovator 400/600 ?

Regards

Roberto

Posted on: 05 March 2016 by elkman70

Roberto,

Hesitation almost over..

I compared to Kudos C20, Ovator 400, Audiovectors, B&W 804dii and some Wilson beneush. To my ears the C20 and S20s won the day.

Regards,

Nick

Posted on: 05 March 2016 by rsch

Specifically what did you like more about S20 ?  a more open, clear presentation ?

Posted on: 19 March 2016 by elkman70

C20s were better than the rest in my room. Then the opportunity came to replace the C20 with S20. Yes, a lot more clarity an more open presentation. They are great.

552 audition over....I now own it. 

Posted on: 19 March 2016 by rsch
elkman70 posted:

552 audition over....I now own it. 

... And ?

Posted on: 19 March 2016 by elkman70

It's bloody good

Posted on: 19 March 2016 by rsch

Good!

I'm not still totally convinced with it instead.

It seems not gel to gel very well with the rest, 250, SL2 or room acoustics ?

Perhaps i was better to stick with 282 or eventually 252.

Regards

Roberto

Posted on: 19 March 2016 by nigelb
rsch posted:

Good!

I'm not still totally convinced with it instead.

It seems not gel to gel very well with the rest, 250, SL2 or room acoustics ?

Perhaps i was better to stick with 282 or eventually 252.

Regards

Roberto

I find it difficult to believe a 282 is preferable to a 552. I have a 252 which is a step up from the 282 so I would expect the 552 to be way better than the 282. Of course it is possible the 552 might be showing up some deficiencies/issues with the source, power amp or speakers although on paper this should not be the case.

Suggest you get the dealer round to check how it has been set up and check the rest of your system before you dismiss the 552.

Posted on: 19 March 2016 by MDS
nigelb posted:
rsch posted:

Good!

I'm not still totally convinced with it instead.

It seems not gel to gel very well with the rest, 250, SL2 or room acoustics ?

Perhaps i was better to stick with 282 or eventually 252.

Regards

Roberto

I find it difficult to believe a 282 is preferable to a 552. I have a 252 which is a step up from the 282 so I would expect the 552 to be way better than the 282. Of course it is possible the 552 might be showing up some deficiencies/issues with the source, power amp or speakers although on paper this should not be the case.

Suggest you get the dealer round to check how it has been set up and check the rest of your system before you dismiss the 552.

+1

Posted on: 19 March 2016 by ken c
rsch posted:

Good!

I'm not still totally convinced with it instead.

It seems not gel to gel very well with the rest, 250, SL2 or room acoustics ?

Perhaps i was better to stick with 282 or eventually 252.

Regards

Roberto

either (a) the 552 is faulty, or (b) it is revealing something else wrong with your system, or (c) you simply dont like it.

you may need to investigate (a) and/or (b) before you decide (c).

i have owned 282, 252 and in my view, the 552 is so far ahead from either its almost not worth comparing. but of course, hifi is very subjective (how many times have you heard this???) 

whatever you decide...

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 19 March 2016 by elkman70

The 282 is good but the 552 is simply breathtaking. Before I decided to buy my brand new 552 with serial number beginning in 4**** ��, I auditioned another 552 and just did not get on with it. It had a faulty burnt which resulted it in sounding barely any better than a 282.

Posted on: 19 March 2016 by J.N.
rsch posted:

Good!

I'm not still totally convinced with it instead.

It seems not gel to gel very well with the rest, 250, SL2 or room acoustics ?

Perhaps i was better to stick with 282 or eventually 252.

Regards

Roberto

As Ken commented - something is awry.

Silly question time - transit screws removed?

The 552 is a very open window and assuming that it is as it should be, the 552 is probably exposing a weakness elsewhere. Sometimes the input of more information, energy and bandwidth requires a positional tweak of the loudspeakers if they are exciting room modes and slugging the rhythmic drive and focus by 'splashing' and time-smearing the sound around the room. Your sources and loudspeakers should easily be capable of doing justice to a 552.

As ever, a competent dealer should be able to help.

Good luck.

John.

 

 

Posted on: 19 March 2016 by rsch

Transits screws were removed of course, apparently cables dangle nicely behind the Fraim.

I have not particular room modes on bass frequencies. it's more a sense of digital smear around voices or 

instruments.

Also there is little room of volume adjustability, just beyond ' o clock sometimes become overbearing.

Regards

Roberto

Posted on: 19 March 2016 by Kevin Richardson

I am quite jealous.  Mostly related to how organized your cables look.  I only have four boxes and I've got a complete mess.