Temporary Fix - help needed
Posted by: Belfast Taxman on 14 February 2016
I appreciate that the longer term solution will be to acquire some new racking like the 4 level Naim Fraim, but until I have saved enough pennies, I am looking for a temporary solution to having to place my Hi-cap and the Stageline that it is powering directly on top of my 250dr which sits on the bottom shelf of my current furniture ( a three level Sound Organisation table spiked into the carpet).
I tried placing them on the carpet - definitely worse as was putting them anywhere the 272 on the middle shelf, so I was wondering if even a very basic separation method might work. One possibility could be a wooden kitchen chopping board which the wife might be persuaded to lease out for a few weeks. Or should I not bother? I am not hearing any obvious "noise" as a result of the current position, but it does not seem right to me.
So are you saying you have a three shelf rack, with a record player on top, then the 272 and then the 250? If so, I'd put the Stageline and Hicap on the bottom shelf, as far apart as possible. Then put the 250 on a piece of wood on the floor. A paving slab would work too, or the chopping board.
There are two main reasons for using dedicated stands: vibration and heat.
Keeping power supplies separately is also important from intereference point of view.
Chopping board is not a good idea - you may actually end up overheating your amp.
How long is 'temporary'? If it's weeks - just leave it as it is. It won't break.
If, however, its months / year a neat solution would be to get a glass shelf, some vibrapods or even basic self-adhesive bumpons (large size). Stick the bumpons to the glas shelf and then place it on your 250. This way you will have some basic isolation and ventilation. Not ideal, but may work in the 'meantime'.
Hi Adam, just been following this brief thread, quite interested in any comments regarding box placement and types of material for racks, initially I was thinking a temporary wood solution would be ok...but what you say makes perfect sense, I suppose that's why most wood racks incorporate glass shelves with various types of pods ect
Glass is quite good at isolating vibrations. If you look at photo in my profile, you'll see my glass shelves ![]()
Thanks for the responses. When I say it just does not seem right,please bear in mind I have only had the Stageline a few days and the amps only for about a month, so still settling in. My main worry is a slight harshness on the top end with vocals sounding a tad sibilant.
For info purposes the lp12 sits on its own Audioquest table with the Lingo underneath. I should add that the Lp12 already sounds superior/warmer than any other source and the level of detail coming through the Kan's is amazing.
The question I suppose is whether the above symptoms are just new equipment burning in or are exacerbated by the lack of isolation/separation between the various bits and pieces
At the very least keep the Stageline away from the 250, HC or Lingo and probably to 272 also. The further the better in my experience. A glass chopping board might help if you have to put it on the floor. Moving my Lingo away from my Stageline made a big difference.
The Ikea Lack side table is an affordable temporary solution. At $8 each you could get two. Easy to place spikes in the bottom of the legs, or forego the legs and spike the table top itself. Lots of colors available. Use it elsewhere in the house when you're done or recycle it.
Personally, I detest the cheap nasty tat sold by Ikea, but as a low cost temporary solution, the Lack table or something similar would be ideal.
Put the LP12 on a VulKan wall shelf, ( it will sound even better there than on fraim )
and free up a shelf on top of your Sound Org table.
Isoblue is very good. I have seen a lot of Fraim on Audiogon recently. We were amazed the first Isoblue we bought, and Fraim is substantially better. Until then, Ikea may be your best bet.
Special thanks must go to Adam.
i obtained a 9mm glass plate and inserted it between the 250 and the Stageline/hi-cap and lifted it off the 250 using a sort of bluetac sandwich of my own devising using balsa wood (well it is only a temporary fix while I save up for a Naimfraim).
Result - immediate improvement at the top end. Examples being that Rickie Lee Jones sounds just that little less nasal, or the hi-hat on, for instance, "Wild West End" by Dire Straits sounds cleaner and accurate.
Hi-fi; endlessly amazing. Thanks again
Happy to hear it worked!
enjoy the music ![]()
Adam
I am enjoying the music but my wife is not enjoying the price of a Naimfraim, especially when I told her that what she thought was the price was actually the price per shelf (I failed to mention the base unit was extra as the high level frequency distortion entering my ears from her lips was already rather too significant).
Isoblue has already been mentioned and I shall investigate further; any other alternatives such as Atacama or Norstone favoured by fellow Forum users. There is, of course, Fraimlite, although my wife may not find the price differential to her satisfaction (and she is paying for it). I fear that her mind will not allow itself to see the logic of the best furniture even to house an already expensive audio system (think camels, straw and backs). She "gets" the black boxes and even the thing that makes records go round and round, but shelves? I dread to imagine her response if I told her the price of SL cable.
Have a look at Quadraspire SVT in the bamboo variant. It's very good and to me looks less high tech than the Fraim, and doesn't look funny from the side.
Hutter is another alternative and was favoured before Fraim - like Fraim you start with a base and add shelves. An example was posted recently in System pics by ChrisH. The aesthetics are a matter of taste, but it is well made furniture. It's not that hard to find second hand, which is what I did - two stacks of three and four shelves.
Clive