Where does the source first principle turn into the need for a new pre amp

james n posted:

GraemeH posted:

Having just gone SN2-202 to 282 I'd say 282 every day of the week - and twice on Sundays.

G

I thought you'd given up all the boxes - didn't you originally have a 252/300 . What happened ?

A Roadmap was required after exchanging the PMC .23 for Ovator S-400...A brief dalliance with a 202 HCDR NAPSC : 200 (although better than SN2 in some respects) didn't quite realise the potential of the NDX Ndac XPS source.

The 282 HCDR really is a leap in this context...and not a 250.2 for me as I don't need the watts and prefer the sonic signature of the 200. A 250DR is a different beast of course, but not for now.

I'm done upgrading for a few years at least.

G

Ah i see - interesting journey Graeme. I'd keep that 5 head hydra... just incase 

james n posted:

Ah i see - interesting journey Graeme. I'd keep that 5 head hydra... just incase 

Sold!...I needed a 6 now!

Apologies to the OP for going off topic.

G

Powerlines are gonna be expensive!

GraemeH posted:

james n posted:

Ah i see - interesting journey Graeme. I'd keep that 5 head hydra... just incase 

Sold!...I needed a 6 now!

Apologies to the OP for going off topic.

G

No problem. One thing I've not tried yet the power lines. Are they worth a look at 282 level? Also got the Radikal coming and I've read they benefit from one 

To the OP, you will get tons of Advice here, that's what we do, spend your money! 

But look through the Archives, you will not see a post comparing the 252 with the 552, not a fat chance!

You will not see post comparing the 202, with a 282, I own a 282, and the Forum beat me up, including Richard Dane, when I suggest that the 202 and 282 were Similar, I got the quotes tucked away support this! 

But Believe me you will see loads and loads of post comparing an 282 with a 252! 

Point being, a 2nd hand 282 will do just fine until an 2nd hand 552 pops up! 

And yes no such thing as DRing an Pre Amp, That technology was done with the PS, I think it was 2012 technology, 555PS,s SC's, Xps's, and HC's, but anyhow that was done to the front end. Four or 6 years later it was done to the Rear end. 500's, 300's, and 250's. 

All this is  Statement trickle down technologies being past down!

So if one has an Dred Front and Rear End, along with the Full Loom, they have the new evolved Naim Sound, Meaner and Leaner!!!!!

So for around 3K a 2nd hand 282 will do!  And guess what you can use it with your HC, until a 2nd Hand SCDR comes along. 

Well you get the point, share this with your Dealer, I'm sure he will get it! 

BTW, a 202, 282, 252, 552, Is still the same The new kid on the block is the 272, the future path for the young generation! 

Well, JMHO!!!! 

The Armchair QB!!!

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G

The Armchair QB, why I haven't had the opportunity to listen to Naim gear in the same manor as You guys in the UK. 

Hence, I don't want to get false credit, but I know a guy who is familiar Mr. Richard Dane!

""RICHARD DANEADMINISTRATOR

1/19/163:47 PM

The difference between a NAC202 and NAC282?  Well, apart from looking quite different inside and out, there's a simple answer Allante - just listen.""

I rest my case OP! 

The 272 is the way of the future, but an analog hub will still be around! 

Why? 

Just plug in the Ndac, Bare Cdx2, CD555, Super line, etc..... Ok, but an Ndac is inferior to the NDS, Right?

Another comparison in which Richard done a beautiful comparison between NDS dac section, and Ndac, check it out: 

{{Example:  Posted By Richard Dane:
"MDFdude posted:
 
so nDAC = NDS DAC section ?

Yes, and no...  
much is shared, such as the selected Burr Brown PCM1704K DAC chips, 40bit Sharc processor etc.. and both have a fully discrete analogue output stage.  The NDS goes further with no internal PSU and the mass loaded suspended boards.}}

Great Piece of work done by Mr Richard Dane. 

So if one does inspire to do Streaming, or what ever its called, an Ndac aint bad!!!! 

Out!!!!

The Armchair QB!!!!

Hi Paws,

I just wanted to right a few words addressing your thread title. Thirty years ago I had drunk the Flat Earth cool-aide and, having got my first job moved from STD305S, Hafler D101, Quad 405, Spendor Preludes to LP12, Ittock, Karma, 42.5, 110, Kans.

I preceded to up the amps to 32.5, Hicap, 250.

However, the biggest leap I got in quality was when I moved, and so was able to change from the Kans via ART to Living Voice speakers. In the meantime I had also moved to Class A amps.

My point is that I do think there comes a point at which the source first argument becomes FAR more nuanced.

The only way to decide which way to jump is to put in the work and trust your ears. This become difficult with turntables and cartridges, although I believe Cymbiosis hold a range of LP12s for demo.

I think one of the best things we can all do is to listen to other systems, either at Bake Offs or at enthusiast shows such as Scalford.

In my system although streaming is great I would not describe it as better or worse than my LP12/ARO/Dyn/Geddon, but different in character and very dependent upon the quality of the source material.

My advice would be to sit back, take time and enjoy the journey.

M

Posted by Underhill:

""My point is that I do think there comes a point at which the source first argument becomes FAR more nuanced.

The only way to decide which way to jump is to put in the work and trust your ears. This become difficult with turntables and cartridges, although I believe Cymbiosis hold a range of LP12s for demo.

I think one of the best things we can all do is to listen to other systems, either at Bake Offs or at enthusiast shows such as Scalford.

In my system although streaming is great I would not describe it as better or worse than my LP12/ARO/Dyn/Geddon, but different in character and very dependent upon the quality of the source material.

My advice would be to sit back, take time and enjoy the journey."'

I agree, that's how one grows, there is no substitute for experience, Then one can share there experiences with others! 

The Journey is the key!  Full Blown Active System, Karin, Linn XO with Bingo Card, Passive Briks, Active Briks, Bi Amped Briks, Tri Amped Briks, Next Active Briks with Naim, 3 decades of Listening, Wow How time flies!!!

The Armchair QB!!!!!

I think there is a lot of merit in going for a 282 - especially using a 250 already. 

After that I would concentrate on the front end - I'd get a Radikal but that's just me