NDXcellent!

Posted by: -goat- on 26 February 2016

Hi all. Just a quick feel-good post to say what a great machine the NDX is... and a few other bits and pieces. I'm nearing four years with mine and I'm every bit as pleased with it now as I was in the beginning. I don't doubt it'd be capable of even more with an XPS but given I don't aspire to (nor can afford) much beyond my current setup, it's especially pleasing it has such a complete, balanced sound without an additional power supply. I love the way it digs right down deep to the lowest bass notes with texture and detail and is equally capable of subtlety and sheer slam. Of course that's down to more than just the source, but hey that's where it all starts! The system has evolved incrementally since I acquired the NDX, the 122x I upgraded to the 202 (good upgrade), I added a Flatcap (less good) and it seems I now have three powerlines... really not sure how that happened but there they are. Nice to be able to say things are sounding better than ever. I finally got around to stripping all down and rebuilding recently, moving the Napsc to the bottom shelf (further away from the 202 and NDX), installing the latest firmware on the NDX and lastly installing MiniMSverver on the Synology NAS transcoding and upscaling (I think that's the correct term) to 24bit as recommended by MiniM. The net benefit of which is that everything seems to be just that little bit better. I've had troubles over the years with the Arivas exciting room modes, but at present they're working very well indeed and the 150x is all I could ever need to drive them. I never cease to be impressed just what that little amp is capable of.

In all honestly my journey with Naim since the 62/90 I bought 10 years ago, while largely rewarding has been a little vexing at times also. I respect the design philosophy immensely, but I accept now that Naim is probably not for everyone. When it works, it's absolutely superb, but when it isn't working so well it can be rather unforgiving and the combination of these two things can lead to a lot of faffing about with setup, compulsive upgrading etc. However, I feel very pleased to have reached the system I have.. It gives a great deal of enjoyment and I certainly don't like the thought of living without it! 

Just as I say all is swell, I've gone and bought an Olive Hicap to replace the Flatcap (seems I couldn't help myself). I figured a DR version will be out of range financially for some time yet and the Olive was relatively inexpensive especially considering I will sell the Flatcap. Not long since the Hicap has been recapped so in theory it should be a fairly safe bet. Wish me luck! Not such a quick post after all it seems :-)

Posted on: 26 February 2016 by ChrisSU

Sounds like you are in a good place with your system. The Hicap was a good decision, your 202 will be much happier with it.

Posted on: 26 February 2016 by Mr Happy

Your hicap was a great decision as long as the service was by either naim or class a, as others tend to use different make "upgraded" parts which usually sound quite different from the originals. Also make sure you use the black snaics as these sound far superior to the grey ones supplied with earlier units.

Posted on: 26 February 2016 by overprint

Love my NDX too - it's sounds just so right on the 52/135/SL2s. Now wondering how a 555PS may improve things or do I get a Fraimlite or do I get.....

Posted on: 26 February 2016 by Pcd

Bought a NDX last year to go with 82/250 and Supercap absolutely brilliant probably the most enjoyable piece kit I have bought.

 

 

Posted on: 26 February 2016 by Mike-B

Another thumbs up for NDX  (+ TP PSU).  I bought it so make the move away from CD while CD players still had some resale value (which it did)  but with a touch of trepidation in my head in doing so.  However, fear was not required, once I got my head down & learned (& still am learning) all about NAS, dBpoweramp & the quirks of fine tuning the LAN,  it has been a blast & continues to be an ongoing real pleasure.   I loved my old CDX2 & was a little concerned that the NDX was a but too civilised by comparison.  Yes it is,  but while the CDX2 was all rock 'n rock up front excitement,  the NDX is refined & very much more musical.   (still miss that CDX2 tho') 

Posted on: 26 February 2016 by feeling_zen

It's nice that people still appreciate the NDX. So much attention goes to newer products like the 272 or PC/Hugo combos that the NDX is ignored a bit of late. There well might be better things out there nowadays but it shouldn't diminish the fact that the NDX is a serious piece of good sounding kit. And on it's own without an external PS it is even great value within the context of the Naim range.

It will go down as a milestone product for Naim long after it gets superceded.

I love mine juiced by an XPS. It could be the last source I ever need.

Posted on: 26 February 2016 by Mike-B

The only thing that is better than NDX is NDS,  & so it should be considering the cost.   As good as 272 is,  it did not impress like the NDX/282 combo,  but says something about the 272 pre-amp.  But slight thread drift going on, don't want to get into yet another comparison thread,  this is the NDX fan club.  

So getting back on topic,  I should have added in my previous post about the iRadio.  The HD stuff is outstanding,  Radio Paradise, Naim, Linn etc with 320kbs are just the best.   BBC 339kbs HLS service gets my vote over FM !!!!    & coming from me - an avid died in the wool steam radio nerdish - that is saying something.  I believe web radio dynamic range with no compression & the ability to go higher than the 15kHz FM pilot tone roll off plays a part.

Posted on: 26 February 2016 by Pcd

Bought a NDX last year to go with 82/250 and Supercap absolutely brilliant probably the most enjoyable piece kit I have bought.

 

 

Posted on: 27 February 2016 by antony d
Mike-B posted:

Another thumbs up for NDX  (+ TP PSU).  I bought it so make the move away from CD while CD players still had some resale value (which it did)  but with a touch of trepidation in my head in doing so.  However, fear was not required, once I got my head down & learned (& still am learning) all about NAS, dBpoweramp & the quirks of fine tuning the LAN,  it has been a blast & continues to be an ongoing real pleasure.   I loved my old CDX2 & was a little concerned that the NDX was a but too civilised by comparison.  Yes it is,  but while the CDX2 was all rock 'n rock up front excitement,  the NDX is refined & very much more musical.   (still miss that CDX2 tho') 

Like Mike-B - moved from CDX2 to NDX and love the sound it makes - Iradio has got better with HD - don't use streaming but UPnP gets a very good work out,  it really is a lovely peace of kit

 

 

Posted on: 27 February 2016 by Patu

Funny timing on this thread. Couple of days ago we finally managed to do the comparison between Naim DAC and NDX on my setup. We had prepared and talked about this comparison for over a year so I'm glad that it finally happened. My equipment chain is in my profile. Both sources were driven bare and power connection was with stock Naim cables connected to MusicLine power block. Phases checked of course. At firs we auditioned NDX with 4.3 software and then did the update to the current 4.4 with Tidal support and DSP optimizations. This clearly lifted NDX's performance IMO. The effect was slightly similar to the recent Naim DAC FW update but not as strong. Anyway clearly audible. 

Now based on what I had read, my expectations were that NDX's sound quality falls clearly short on Naim DAC's. Well how wrong was I. Well, there certainly are things which Naim DAC does better but where NDX excels is the enjoyment, musicality and that in house Naim sound which we all have grown to love. It's there with Naim DAC also, of course, but the sound is cleaner, more hifi and slightly less exciting. NDX might cut some corners straight but damn how fun it was to listen to it. Instant toe tapping effect on many familiar tracks. We did the comparison with another senior Naim enthusiast who has something like LP12/NDX/252/250.2/SuperCap/S400 setup at home. We both agreed that both sources sounded awesome but NDX had more of the toe tapping effect when Naim DAC digged slightly deeper into the recordings and sounded cleaner. It comes purely to what you prefer, you can't name which one is better. 

Anyway I think I'm finally moving towards streaming. Looking for a pre-loved NDX.

Posted on: 28 February 2016 by Seth

Yes, another NDX fan here. Bought mine as a "transport" (digital source, at least) for my Dac / XPS.  After many months of comparison (in various Dac / XPS configurations for a couple of weeks at a time)... the Dac was sold ;-).  I could also happily live without the XPS, as the NDX is more enjoyable without it in some respects, although I'd miss some of the gains the XPS gives.  Testament to how good the NDX really is, I believe it's a very sweet spot in Naim's range.

My biggest issue has been that, personally, I find that a Powerline has "an effect" but ultimately damages much of what I love about the NDX.  

I hope you have many years of NDX enjoyment!

Seth

Posted on: 28 February 2016 by -goat-

Pleased but not surprised to see there are other NDX fans out there. Interesting to see it being used into some high end olive systems but that makes sense in a way if one desires a move to streaming but doesn't want to face the expenditure of updating to newer black amps. Also interesting to read that the 272 can't quite compete with the NDX but I guess that's to be expected considering the 272 is a pre-amp also and I think still costs less. Actually, given the way I use my system, if I were to start over I'd probably take a 272 in preference to an NDX and spend the pre-amp funds elsewhere. The streaming pre-amp seems much more in line with modern listening habits that the old multiple sources and pre-amp paradigm. Having said that, I'm quite happy with my system as is and don't see any need to jump on board with the latest tech.

Pretty sure the hi-cap recap was done through the authorised dealer here in NZ and should be perfectly legitimate. Should arrive tomorrow... 

 

Posted on: 28 February 2016 by King Size

Another kiwi NDX fan here!  I bought mine in April last year after after deciding I needed to move on from CD replay.  Overall it was a very big year as I also landed up buying a UnitiServe as well as upgrading my amp and speakers!  This year I plan to add an XPS DR but there really is no rush as i'm still loving what the NDX does. 

I don't think you have anything to worry about with your Hi-Cap recap.  If I was to trust anyone outside the UK to work on naim gear it would be Chris Murphy

Posted on: 28 February 2016 by Antonio1

My wish is to get my hands on an NDX the sooner I can!!

One of the best products ever made since the departure (?) of the cd player, a great addition to SN2, NAC 202 and higher up to 282, that's the proper way to build -up a great system not to be surpassed by a single does -all  box in spite latest claims . 

Source rules ,as always.

 

Posted on: 28 February 2016 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Another NDX fan here.. I have had mine since not longer after it was launched and has subsequently had the streamer board updated ... Cracking bit of kit, and  I use mine as a transport feeding a non Naim DAC. If I was to make one slight criticism, it does seem a tad sensitive to RF noise, but it can be usually dealt with a bit of care and chokes.

Simon

Posted on: 28 February 2016 by GraemeH

So good I bought it twice!

G

Posted on: 28 February 2016 by Adam Zielinski

I love NDX so much that I have two of them
One in the living room, running 'sans PSU' into 282/SCDR/250DR. To my ears it sounds more natural this way.
The other one as a digital transport into nDAC (nDAC powered by XPS) and SuperNait2.

Both setups sounds different - primarily because the sources sound different. And I love both setups