Adventures at Dealer (SL Content)

I guess I had better not demo set. It would drive me crazy trying to figure out the financing. ��

And there will be those on other fora who will maintain - with considerable scientific evidence - that changing a cable will not make one iota of difference at any price. 

Yes - I've heard SL and I agree it's a considerable upgrade. £600 per metre - now that is debatable??!!

I've got some. As they are only 3m long and I bought them ex dem the price was not too frightening, and I'd say that the improvement they deliver is well worth the money. They are nice and bendy too, and brown looks less stark against the carpet than black. 

Am I right in thinking £600 per metre is for the pair?

It is for the pair Strat, but 3m = £1800 & 5m = £3000. At least up until 1st April in the UK anyway!

(minus any discount the kind dealer may offer. Mine gave me a good deal on a set of speaker cables and the IC)

The Strat (Fender) posted:

Am I right in thinking £600 per metre is for the pair?

Yes - it gets slightly misleading when some other cables (eg Chord) are usually price quoted per single metre length

Have to say NACA seems to represent pretty good VFM to me although I use Chord Odyssey. 

+1 for NAC A5, but then I have never heard SL and my wife informs me that I don't want to

SL does sound better. But NACA5 is holding its own too.

Does the SL only work best if you have the full loom, or is it still very good on its own?

anyone who spends 1800 quid on a pair of 3m speaker cable must be off their rocker

Halloween Man posted:

anyone who spends 1800 quid on a pair of 3m speaker cable must be off their rocker

So smart of you to assume you can judge how best for others to spend their own money. 

Halloween Man posted:

anyone who spends 1800 quid on a pair of 3m speaker cable must be off their rocker

I bet you are the sort of chap who looks at the cover of a book and would decide not to buy it, without even looking inside.

1800 quid for bits of wire, right. Do you have the remotest idea how those mere bits of wire sound in a capable Naim system?

Oh dear, he'll be excommunicated for sure! 

Halloween Man posted:

anyone who spends 1800 quid on a pair of 3m speaker cable must be off their rocker

And what would the diagnosis be for someone who spends £3,000 on a 5m set of wires, I wonder ?

(bear in mind you do get two lengths for the price when it's speaker cable, unlike the single din-din interconnect)

rjstaines posted:

Halloween Man posted:

anyone who spends 1800 quid on a pair of 3m speaker cable must be off their rocker

And what would the diagnosis be for someone who spends £3,000 on a 5m set of wires, I wonder ?

(bear in mind you do get two lengths for the price when it's speaker cable, unlike the single din-din interconnect)

Diagnosis: He knows what he is doing.

wenger2015 posted:

Does the SL only work best if you have the full loom, or is it still very good on its own?

So far I have only heard SL speaker cable in a system with no other SL cables - and I thought it was very good. 

Chris Dolan posted:

wenger2015 posted:

Does the SL only work best if you have the full loom, or is it still very good on its own?

So far I have only heard SL speaker cable in a system with no other SL cables - and I thought it was very good. 

just as well, i am warming up to the idea of starting with speaker cables. in my case, unfortunately, that will be 4 lengths, or 2 pairs.

I recall, DB offering the same advice i.e. unless one is upgrading bother XLR and speaker wire -- then best to start with speaker leads.

Frightening numbers whichever way in my case!!!

enjoy

ken

Here's an excerpt from a review of the Statement pieces and the SL cables from The Audio Beat by Roy Gregory. A very different perspective. Just an FYI.

What it doesn’t take into account is that the vast majority of the more serious cable designs are not available with (and most won’t fit into) a DIN connector. Naim have launched their own Super Lumina interconnects and speaker cables, offering a significant increase in both performance and price over their existing wires, but even these are easily outperformed by the best cables out there.

badlands posted:

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What it doesn’t take into account is that the vast majority of the more serious cable designs are not available with (and most won’t fit into) a DIN connector. Naim have launched their own Super Lumina interconnects and speaker cables, offering a significant increase in both performance and price over their existing wires, but even these are easily outperformed by the best cables out there.

yes, always interesting to get another POV. But it doesnt really help to just say "... easily performed by the best cables out there" without mentioning what "best" means and what these cables are and how much they cost. and then you have to take into account the context of the review -- like, does the gut like the Naim sound at all? 

i have an SL signal cable for my NDS and snaxo 4-4Din and i love what they do. but i would find it difficult to claim that they are "the best" -- unless i try loads of different alternatives -- but then this would be futile, for the reasons he aludes to -- most of the exotics out there are not made to be symphathetic with Naim sound and interface methods.

enjoy...

ken

badlands posted:

Here's an excerpt from a review of the Statement pieces and the SL cables from The Audio Beat by Roy Gregory. A very different perspective. Just an FYI.

What it doesn’t take into account is that the vast majority of the more serious cable designs are not available with (and most won’t fit into) a DIN connector. Naim have launched their own Super Lumina interconnects and speaker cables, offering a significant increase in both performance and price over their existing wires, but even these are easily outperformed by the best cables out there.

Doesn't Roy Gregory work for Nordost UK? If so it could be inferred that he is referring to Nordost cables. But as a counter to that, Nordost cables are (well used to be) available with DIN connectors.

Another vote for the benefits of SL speaker cables in isolation. I will wait a couple of months for the cost to become a distant memory (easily done at my age) and then contemplate the next set of SL cables.

Question, though; Burndy cables between various components carry the signal (552 to 552PS and SuperLine to SuperCap in my case). Why isn't the signal path in these cables important, i.e why aren't there the equivalent Burndy SLs?

A pity that you disconnected, even after an hour you will always be remembered that you need them, until you took the decision..... Good luck with the time in between.

Zipperheadbanjo posted:

I took them knowing full well that I really would need 5 M lengths to make it work in my room... But after tweaking my racks a little and temporarily repositioning my speakers to accommodate the shorter lengths had everything installed and powered 'er up.

I had no idea a cable could make such a difference.

Before you decide to part with your hard earned on the cable, are you sure that's what made the change?  You moved quite a bit around to accommodate the cables - are you sure this isn't the reason for the performance change?  I'm not saying the cables are good or bad and if you think they are worth the money then that's your choice.  Just something to think about.

There is a link to the Roy Gregory article on the main website. He mentions Nordost Odin and Valhalla, Audioquest Wild and Crystal Cable Absolute Dream.

Keith

rjstaines posted:

Halloween Man posted:

anyone who spends 1800 quid on a pair of 3m speaker cable must be off their rocker

And what would the diagnosis be for someone who spends £3,000 on a 5m set of wires, I wonder ?

(bear in mind you do get two lengths for the price when it's speaker cable, unlike the single din-din interconnect)

diagnosis is mmts (more money than sense) ☺