Adventures at Dealer (SL Content)

The full loon. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

The full loon. 

dayjay posted:

Oh dear, he'll be excommunicated for sure! 

ChrisSU posted:

badlands posted:

ChrisSU posted:

There are plenty of people who would think you were off your rocker for spending a couple of hundred. These off the cuff remarks are meaningless. 

Excuse me, but isn't that what these forums are for? Different points of views, and all that, I happen to think that Halloween Mans remarks are anything but "off the cuff"  and certainly not meaningless, as you put it!

Well in my books, claiming that "anyone who spends £1800 on speaker cables, (or indeed, any amount of money on any hifi component,) is off their rocker," especially when you've never heard them yourself, does not make a contribution of any value to the forum. 

"(or indeed, any amount of money on any hifi component,)" did i say that? or is my memory as well as my posts of no value?

ChrisSU posted:

badlands posted:

ChrisSU posted:

There are plenty of people who would think you were off your rocker for spending a couple of hundred. These off the cuff remarks are meaningless. 

Excuse me, but isn't that what these forums are for? Different points of views, and all that, I happen to think that Halloween Mans remarks are anything but "off the cuff"  and certainly not meaningless, as you put it!

Well in my books, claiming that "anyone who spends £1800 on speaker cables, (or indeed, any amount of money on any hifi component,) is off their rocker," especially when you've never heard them yourself, does not make a contribution of any value to the forum. 

You should really relax, take a chill pill, it's only a stereo, and not a very good investment financially compared to other elitist type hobbies, don't be so dramatic. In the large scheme of things this is nothing more than a hobby that some people need to spend ridiculous amounts of money on to listen and enjoy music. Whether one thinks it's silly or not has no bearing if they are a useful and valuable contributor. 

You honestly don't have to hear $3600.00 dollar speaker cables, let alone a $300,000.00 dollar amp and pre-amp, to know if that person is indeed a little off their rocker to have to spend that to enjoy music. They may also be described by non audiophiles as silly, selfish, self centered, out of touch with reality, and an elitist................ maybe. But if it makes YOU, and you alone happy, go for it!

 I have heard much more expensive cables and know what they can contribute to a system, and I personally still don't get it, just saying.

Halloween Man posted:

anyone who spends 1800 quid on a pair of 3m speaker cable must be off their rocker

There are lots of hobbies where expenditure at the top end can be reduced to farce. One of my other hobbies is guitar playing. I like nice guitars, but some collectors pay many thousands of pounds for vintage "authenticity". Late 50s early 60s Strats and Les Pauls go for silly money. There's no way these are really better guitars than a modern PRS or other new high-end guitar. Things as simple new solder joints on the electrics can knock hundreds, if not thousand of pounds off the "value". A refinish can knock thousands off. If the guitar has "history" (played by Lennon/Hendrix/Clapton/Page etc) then the sky is really the limit

In one of my other hobbies, cycling, cashed-up riders can pretty easily spend $18,000 on a bicycle. That's more than a Honda CBR1000RR superbike would cost you. And some spend that every couple of years to stay current. 

Handbags for $5,000? They all just carry stuff.

High-end mechanical watches for 10s of thousands of dollars? My phone tells better time.

When we're now earning so much more than we need for basic food, clothing and shelter, high-end spending will always seem ludicrous to those who don't "get it". It's about how ownership of these things makes us feel. True utility may be questionable, but hey, what else are we going to spend our money on? Give it to those who need it? Don't be silly.

The gratuitous path would be simply to keep your hi-fi purchases to yourself and not share findings on the forum. You let your wallet show when you talk here. Some are contemplating the value of a Statement, others hoping to get into the game with a Nait 5.  Fortunately, it's an all inclusive forum and folks at either end shouldn't be disparaged for their disposable income or how they choose to spend it.

When I told my wife that the power cable I wanted to buy was £1,700 she did question my sanity - and suggest a degree of gullibility - all rather vocally.  

dont get me wrong, i am not disparaging anyone for how much disposable income they have or how they choose to spend it. if i paid £5k for a Rolex I get a marvel of engineering that mechanically keeps time more accurately than most other mechanical watches, if i paid £90K for a Porche 911 I get one of the most beautiful and finely engineered cars ever made. i paid close to £6K for my scm40a active speakers and got an attractive and well made cherry cabinet with some of the best speaker drivers and power amp electronics available on the market that weigh almost 35kg each. if I paid £3000 for a speaker cable (about the same price as one of my speakers) I get what is effectively a copper cable that, if high quality and made properly, will make very little, if any, difference to my hifi sound. that's my point and it's got value. ive been off my rocker plenty of times buying and selling hifi gear.

Halloween Man posted:

 if I paid £3000 for a speaker cable ....... I get what is effectively a copper cable that, if high quality and made properly, will make very little, if any, difference to my hifi sound. 

Well that's an important perception isn't it?

I would say that 3 metres of Super Lumina speaker cable makes a signifcant and cost effective difference compared to a black box upgrade - probably not quite as good as Chord Sarum with Kudos speakers but certainly a lot cheaper.

Then again I've yet to buy any 

winkyincanada posted:

Halloween Man posted:

anyone who spends 1800 quid on a pair of 3m speaker cable must be off their rocker

There are lots of hobbies where expenditure at the top end can be reduced to farce. One of my other hobbies is guitar playing. I like nice guitars, but some collectors pay many thousands of pounds for vintage "authenticity". Late 50s early 60s Strats and Les Pauls go for silly money. There's no way these are really better guitars than a modern PRS or other new high-end guitar. Things as simple new solder joints on the electrics can knock hundreds, if not thousand of pounds off the "value". A refinish can knock thousands off. If the guitar has "history" (played by Lennon/Hendrix/Clapton/Page etc) then the sky is really the limit

In one of my other hobbies, cycling, cashed-up riders can pretty easily spend $18,000 on a bicycle. That's more than a Honda CBR1000RR superbike would cost you. And some spend that every couple of years to stay current. 

Handbags for $5,000? They all just carry stuff.

High-end mechanical watches for 10s of thousands of dollars? My phone tells better time.

When we're now earning so much more than we need for basic food, clothing and shelter, high-end spending will always seem ludicrous to those who don't "get it". It's about how ownership of these things makes us feel. True utility may be questionable, but hey, what else are we going to spend our money on? Give it to those who need it? Don't be silly.

Good examples, Winky.  To that list I'd add art. Some folk are prepared to spend millions on paintings etc the qualities of which are very highly subjective, especially the modern, abstract stuff. But if that gives them pleasure I guess that's justification.

Mike 

MDS posted:

winkyincanada posted:

Halloween Man posted:

anyone who spends 1800 quid on a pair of 3m speaker cable must be off their rocker

There are lots of hobbies where expenditure at the top end can be reduced to farce. One of my other hobbies is guitar playing. I like nice guitars, but some collectors pay many thousands of pounds for vintage "authenticity". Late 50s early 60s Strats and Les Pauls go for silly money. There's no way these are really better guitars than a modern PRS or other new high-end guitar. Things as simple new solder joints on the electrics can knock hundreds, if not thousand of pounds off the "value". A refinish can knock thousands off. If the guitar has "history" (played by Lennon/Hendrix/Clapton/Page etc) then the sky is really the limit

In one of my other hobbies, cycling, cashed-up riders can pretty easily spend $18,000 on a bicycle. That's more than a Honda CBR1000RR superbike would cost you. And some spend that every couple of years to stay current. 

Handbags for $5,000? They all just carry stuff.

High-end mechanical watches for 10s of thousands of dollars? My phone tells better time.

When we're now earning so much more than we need for basic food, clothing and shelter, high-end spending will always seem ludicrous to those who don't "get it". It's about how ownership of these things makes us feel. True utility may be questionable, but hey, what else are we going to spend our money on? Give it to those who need it? Don't be silly.

Good examples, Winky.  To that list I'd add art. Some folk are prepared to spend millions on paintings etc the qualities of which are very highly subjective, especially the modern, abstract stuff. But if that gives them pleasure I guess that's justification.

Mike 

Indeed - because using HalloweenMan's analogy, those painting would just be some pigments and oil / water based solvents

Anyhow - we do as we please

Chris Dolan posted:

Halloween Man posted:

 if I paid £3000 for a speaker cable ....... I get what is effectively a copper cable that, if high quality and made properly, will make very little, if any, difference to my hifi sound. 

Well that's an important perception isn't it?

I would say that 3 metres of Super Lumina speaker cable makes a signifcant and cost effective difference compared to a black box upgrade - probably not quite as good as Chord Sarum with Kudos speakers but certainly a lot cheaper.

Then again I've yet to buy any 

That was my point, really. If I hadn't heard what SL cables can do, I would have found it hard to believe just what a difference they can make compared to NACA5 or the like. But for some, there is no comparable upgrade of black boxes that could be made for 1800 quid that would compare with what SL cables can do, which would appear to make them quite cost effective. 

when i told a visiting friend that my speaker cable (NACA5) cost £30/m, he thought i was completely bonkers -- "you can get speaker leads for less than a penny per m on Amazon!!!???"

enjoy....

ken

I never volunteer the cost of anything that I buy - it's simply not their business nor would i wish to draw attention to it.  End of.   If on the other hand - as one work colleague who visited chose to do - anyone wishes to go researching what I might have spent on my hi-fi might have cost then frankly they need to get a life.

The Strat (Fender) posted:

I never volunteer the cost of anything that I buy - it's simply not their business nor would i wish to draw attention to it.  End of.   If on the other hand - as one work colleague who visited chose to do - anyone wishes to go researching what I might have spent on my hi-fi might have cost then frankly they need to get a life.

......or perhaps an excellent hi-fi system