Inky blackness...

Posted by: hungryhalibut on 30 March 2016

...is one of those odd terms one reads in Hifi reviews, along with all sorts of claptrap that can be dismissed as having little to do with the enjoyment of music - something for the round earth Hifi lover rather than the flat earthers raised on Linn and Naim in the 80s.

However, since getting my DR amplifier and Super Lumina wires I have come to really appreciate it. The way notes emerge from silence, and music ends with that same silence, is most beguiling. I remember seeing the Hilliard Ensemble and Jan Garbarek in Chichester Cathedral, and being entranced by the way the music emerged from complete stillness, yet at home somehow there was a fug around the music so that it was never quite the same.

Somehow the new Naim stuff seems to be able to do this, and in a way that enhances enjoyment of the music while preserving the involvement and joie de vivre that Naim does so well. 

I never thought I'd say this, but hurrah for inky blackness!

Posted on: 30 March 2016 by joerand

Inky Blackness.

I can't help but think this must be the experience of many an unfulfilled cephalopod predator.

Posted on: 31 March 2016 by TOBYJUG

True, quality hifi and recordings could be the only situations where creativity comes out of a vacuum.  Inky blackness should let the music flow as the originator intended.

Now where was that old scratched dusty 7 inch.

Posted on: 31 March 2016 by Adam Zielinski

The best comparison I can think of is between a normal recording studio / venue (which always has some background noise / reverberation etc) and a vocal recording chamber.

The latter one is so quiet and devote of any ambient noise it actually starts to hurt.
We used to do this for a laugh when recording / rehearsing - enter and see how long one lasts. The bravest one managed 1 minute. Mind you he's never been the same since then....

Luckily our Inky Black sound does the opposite - it enhances the enjoyment of music.

Adam

Posted on: 31 March 2016 by mrCardoso

 -  Ennio Morricone associates  the audition of Music by using the word "ESTE".

“ESTE” means Energy, Space e Time.

 

Time is the reason way i remenber this phrase: time implies Non Music (between chords).

The emptyness is an important part of music. that is,

Inky blackness.

 

just remember the use of rubidium (atomic) clock's drivin' the DAC's and so on.

like a picture in a screen, the more the contrast, the more real is the result.

 

 

 

Posted on: 31 March 2016 by mrCardoso
Belfast Taxman posted:

Anyone watching Horizon on BBC2 this evening (available on catch up) will perhaps reclassify "inky blackness" as a form of "dark energy", not to be confused with "dark matter", that is an integral part of the accelerating expansion of the universe. None of the clever astrophysicists on the programme could actually explain what it was, so I reckon Hungry Halibut could be on the way to a Nobel Prize. Going back to the early 1980's, when I was a Saturday shop boy in Moseley Audio ( Birmingham), the boss of this very fine Linn/Naim dealer, now long gone, used to try and explain that the difference between such a fine system and other hi- fi was " the silence between the notes". Is this the same thing, I wonder.

hahahahahhaha.. so good...

Posted on: 31 March 2016 by Eloise
Hungryhalibut posted:

...is one of those odd terms one reads in Hifi reviews, along with all sorts of claptrap that can be dismissed as having little to do with the enjoyment of music - something for the round earth Hifi lover rather than the flat earthers raised on Linn and Naim in the 80s.

[...]

I never thought I'd say this, but hurrah for inky blackness!

What about inky blueness ... and red inkiness?  I hope we're talking good quality indian ink not cheap bic inky blackness because thats not very black at all.   :-)

Posted on: 31 March 2016 by Zipperheadbanjo

On the inky blackness front, my SL speaker cables are on a truck for delivery today, so I am hoping to experience more of that inky black goodness soon. In anticipation, I have started to reconfigure things a little.

I have put all my linear power supply and good quality power supply devices (Naim stuff) on a dedicated outlet. Have power cables running from said devices in an opposite direction to my speaker cables. Have added height to all my hifi racks so that no cables are touching each other or on the ground. No stressed Burndys :-)

All my noisy power supplies (TV, mac mini... other wal wart stuff) are on a different outlet. The speaker cables currently are in proximity to these devices, so I am going to configure this area of my listening room to completely isolate the SL cables from the power/signal cables from these other devices.

Previously I could never be bothered with cable dressing. Funny how making an investment in the "higher" end stuff makes one rethink that position. Further and further down the rabbit hole I go.

Good Thread HH... HH gives good thread!

 

Posted on: 31 March 2016 by The Strat (Fender)

So everything must hang properly........

Posted on: 29 April 2016 by stuart.ashen

Inky blackness. First time I experienced this was a bivvy in the French Alps at 10 000ft prior to a climb of the Barre des Ecrins. Milky way and all that...

But there is really something here for me wrt hi fi. Unless its a live album...

Stu

Posted on: 29 April 2016 by kevin J Carden

Funnily enough... In a different thread euologising about the SL IC I was severely tempted to use an analogy about looking at stars with unaided 55year old eyes and how that was like listening to a Hiline vs looking at stars with properly corrected vision (SL IC) and how 40 stars were actually 1000 stars PLUS  the space in between was not actually dull black but inky black! I think that analogy works. I'm sure that listening with a full SL loon ( plus maybe statement amps!) would reveal what a good telescope would reveal - namely that said inky blackness was actual another thousand stars that you can't otherwise see without the help of a better system..

Posted on: 29 April 2016 by ken c

"... looking at stars with properly corrected vision (SL IC) and how 40 stars were actually 1000 stars PLUS  the space in between was not actually dull black butinky black! I"

well put...

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 29 April 2016 by TOBYJUG

Ha. In say what eight years time, all grey beards here will realise they were starring into grey nothingness instead of inky blackness ?

Posted on: 29 April 2016 by Adam Zielinski

It's definitely black, not grey It's that silence between the notes, or that suspense just after the artist has inhaled and is about to hit the note....

I first noticed that listetnign to one of great Polish jazz trumpeters Tomasz Stanko... On Naim equipment it just sounds... Stunning

Posted on: 29 April 2016 by TOBYJUG

Seems on a tangible level that inky blackness has always haunted my listening. Like a distant thunder that never appears but shakes up the horizon with a shackey darkness that just needs That bright glimmer enough to shimmer.

Posted on: 30 April 2016 by joerand

Is there any inky blackness to be heard on The White Album?

Posted on: 30 April 2016 by hungryhalibut

I get inky blackness on REM's 'Green' and Black Uhuru's 'Red', so I don't see why not. I've not yet tried Elvis Costello's 'Almost Blue' though. 

Posted on: 30 April 2016 by Adam Meredith

Apologies - I am sure someone else will have posted this: -

"Not excepting even the credulous Kraus (see his Do Selby's Leben), all the commentators have treated de Selby's disquisitions on night and sleep with considerable reserve. This is hardly to be wondered at since he held (a) that darkness was simply an accretion of 'black air', i.e., a staining of the atmosphere due to volcanic eruptions too fine to be seen with the naked eye and also to certain 'regrettable' industrial activities involving coal-tar by-products and vegetable dyes; and (b) that sleep was simply a succession of fainting-fits brought on by semi-asphyxiation due to (a). Hatchjaw brings forward his rather facile and ever-ready theory of forgery, pointing to certain unfamiliar syntactical constructions in the first part of the third so called 'prosecanto' in Golden Hours. He does not, however, suggest that there is anything spurious in de Selby's equally damaging rhodomontade in the Layman's Atlas where he inveighs savagely against 'the insanitary conditions prevailing everywhere after six o'clock' and makes the famous gaffe that death is merely 'the collapse of the heart from the strain of a lifetime of fits and fainting'. Bassett (in Lux Mundi) has gone to considerable pains to establish the date of these passages and shows that de Selby was hors de combat from his long-standing gall-bladder disorders at least immediately before the passages were composed. One cannot lightly set aside Bassett's formidable table of dates and his corroborative extracts from contemporary newspapers which treat of an unnamed 'elderly man' being assisted into private houses after having fits in the street. For those who wish to hold the balance for themselves, Henderson's Hatchjaw and Bassett is not unuseful. Kraus, usually unscientific and unreliable, is worth reading on this point. (Leben, pp. 17-37.)

As in many other of de Selby's concepts, it is difficult to get to grips with his process of reasoning or to refute his curious conclusions. The 'volcanic eruptions', which we may for convenience compare to the infra-visual activity of such substances as radium, take place usually in the 'evening' are stimulated by the smoke and industrial combustions of the 'day' and are intensified in certain places which may, for the want of a better term, be called 'dark places'. One difficulty is precisely this question of terms. A 'dark place' is dark merely because it is a place where darkness 'germinates' and 'evening' is a time of twilight merely because the 'day' deteriorates owing to the stimulating effect of smuts on the volcanic processes. De Selby makes no attempt to explain why a 'dark place' such as a cellar need be dark and does not define the atmospheric, physical or mineral conditions which must prevail uniformly in all such places if the theory is to stand. The 'only straw offered', to use Bassett's wry phrase, is the statement that 'black air' is highly combustible, enormous masses of it being instantly consumed by the smallest flame, even an electrical luminance isolated in a vacuum. 'This,' Bassett observes, 'seems to be an attempt to protect the theory from the shock it can be dealt by simply striking matches and may be taken as the final proof that the great brain was out of gear.'

A significant feature of the matter is the absence of any authoritative record of those experiments with which de Selby always sought to support his ideas. It is true that Kraus (ace below) gives a forty-page account of certain experiments, mostly concerned with attempts to bottle quantities of 'night' and endless sessions in locked and shuttered bedrooms from which bursts of loud hammering could be heard. He explains that the bottling operations were carried out with bottles which were, 'for obvious reasons', made of black glass. Opaque porcelain jars are also stated to have been used ,with some success'. To use the frigid words of Bassett, such information, it is to be feared, makes little contribution to serious deselbiana (sic).' Very little is known of Kraus or his life. A brief biographical note appears in the obsolete Bibliographie de de Selby. He is stated to have been born in Ahrensburg, near Hamburg, and to have worked as a young man in the office of his father, who had extensive jam interests in North Germany. He is said to have disappeared completely from human ken after Hatchjaw had been arrested in a Sheephaven hotel following the unmasking of the de Selby letter scandal by The Times, which made scathing references to Kraus's 'discreditable' machinations in Hamburg and clearly suggested his complicity. If it is remembered that these events occurred in the fateful June when the County Album was beginning to appear in fortnightly parts, the significance of the whole affair becomes apparent. The subsequent exoneration of Hatchjaw served only to throw further suspicion on the shadowy Kraus.

Recent research has not thrown much light on Kraus's identity or his ultimate fate. Bassett's posthumous Recollections contains the interesting suggestion that Kraus did not exist at all, the name being one of the pseudonyms adopted by the egregious du Garbandier to further his 'campaign of calumny'. The Leben, however, seems too friendly In tone to encourage such a speculation.

Du Garbandier himself, possibly pretending to confuse the characteristics of the English and French languages, persistently uses 'black hair' for 'black air', and makes extremely elaborate fun of the raven-headed lady of the skies who deluged the world with her tresses every night when retiring. The wisest course on this question is probably that taken by the little known Swiss writer, Le Clerque. 'This matter,' he says, 'is outside the true province of the conscientious commentator inasmuch as being unable to say aught that is charitable or useful, he must preserve silence.'"

 

Posted on: 30 April 2016 by Clive B
joerand posted:

Is there any inky blackness to be heard on The White Album?

Only on the black stuff.

Posted on: 30 April 2016 by wenger2015
Adam Meredith posted:

Apologies - I am sure someone else will have posted this: -

"Not excepting even the credulous Kraus (see his Do Selby's Leben), all the commentators have treated de Selby's disquisitions on night and sleep with considerable reserve. This is hardly to be wondered at since he held (a) that darkness was simply an accretion of 'black air', i.e., a staining of the atmosphere due to volcanic eruptions too fine to be seen with the naked eye and also to certain 'regrettable' industrial activities involving coal-tar by-products and vegetable dyes; and (b) that sleep was simply a succession of fainting-fits brought on by semi-asphyxiation due to (a). Hatchjaw brings forward his rather facile and ever-ready theory of forgery, pointing to certain unfamiliar syntactical constructions in the first part of the third so called 'prosecanto' in Golden Hours. He does not, however, suggest that there is anything spurious in de Selby's equally damaging rhodomontade in the Layman's Atlas where he inveighs savagely against 'the insanitary conditions prevailing everywhere after six o'clock' and makes the famous gaffe that death is merely 'the collapse of the heart from the strain of a lifetime of fits and fainting'. Bassett (in Lux Mundi) has gone to considerable pains to establish the date of these passages and shows that de Selby was hors de combat from his long-standing gall-bladder disorders at least immediately before the passages were composed. One cannot lightly set aside Bassett's formidable table of dates and his corroborative extracts from contemporary newspapers which treat of an unnamed 'elderly man' being assisted into private houses after having fits in the street. For those who wish to hold the balance for themselves, Henderson's Hatchjaw and Bassett is not unuseful. Kraus, usually unscientific and unreliable, is worth reading on this point. (Leben, pp. 17-37.)

As in many other of de Selby's concepts, it is difficult to get to grips with his process of reasoning or to refute his curious conclusions. The 'volcanic eruptions', which we may for convenience compare to the infra-visual activity of such substances as radium, take place usually in the 'evening' are stimulated by the smoke and industrial combustions of the 'day' and are intensified in certain places which may, for the want of a better term, be called 'dark places'. One difficulty is precisely this question of terms. A 'dark place' is dark merely because it is a place where darkness 'germinates' and 'evening' is a time of twilight merely because the 'day' deteriorates owing to the stimulating effect of smuts on the volcanic processes. De Selby makes no attempt to explain why a 'dark place' such as a cellar need be dark and does not define the atmospheric, physical or mineral conditions which must prevail uniformly in all such places if the theory is to stand. The 'only straw offered', to use Bassett's wry phrase, is the statement that 'black air' is highly combustible, enormous masses of it being instantly consumed by the smallest flame, even an electrical luminance isolated in a vacuum. 'This,' Bassett observes, 'seems to be an attempt to protect the theory from the shock it can be dealt by simply striking matches and may be taken as the final proof that the great brain was out of gear.'

A significant feature of the matter is the absence of any authoritative record of those experiments with which de Selby always sought to support his ideas. It is true that Kraus (ace below) gives a forty-page account of certain experiments, mostly concerned with attempts to bottle quantities of 'night' and endless sessions in locked and shuttered bedrooms from which bursts of loud hammering could be heard. He explains that the bottling operations were carried out with bottles which were, 'for obvious reasons', made of black glass. Opaque porcelain jars are also stated to have been used ,with some success'. To use the frigid words of Bassett, such information, it is to be feared, makes little contribution to serious deselbiana (sic).' Very little is known of Kraus or his life. A brief biographical note appears in the obsolete Bibliographie de de Selby. He is stated to have been born in Ahrensburg, near Hamburg, and to have worked as a young man in the office of his father, who had extensive jam interests in North Germany. He is said to have disappeared completely from human ken after Hatchjaw had been arrested in a Sheephaven hotel following the unmasking of the de Selby letter scandal by The Times, which made scathing references to Kraus's 'discreditable' machinations in Hamburg and clearly suggested his complicity. If it is remembered that these events occurred in the fateful June when the County Album was beginning to appear in fortnightly parts, the significance of the whole affair becomes apparent. The subsequent exoneration of Hatchjaw served only to throw further suspicion on the shadowy Kraus.

Recent research has not thrown much light on Kraus's identity or his ultimate fate. Bassett's posthumous Recollections contains the interesting suggestion that Kraus did not exist at all, the name being one of the pseudonyms adopted by the egregious du Garbandier to further his 'campaign of calumny'. The Leben, however, seems too friendly In tone to encourage such a speculation.

Du Garbandier himself, possibly pretending to confuse the characteristics of the English and French languages, persistently uses 'black hair' for 'black air', and makes extremely elaborate fun of the raven-headed lady of the skies who deluged the world with her tresses every night when retiring. The wisest course on this question is probably that taken by the little known Swiss writer, Le Clerque. 'This matter,' he says, 'is outside the true province of the conscientious commentator inasmuch as being unable to say aught that is charitable or useful, he must preserve silence.'"

 

It's to early in the day for such ' insight' , will need another inky black coffee, and then read through again 

Posted on: 30 April 2016 by Knipester

It's great to see you've seen the light through the inky blackness.

perdonally I think it's just a way to describe silence in a recording that does not have any mechanical interference. 

Posted on: 30 April 2016 by wenger2015

Another way to describe inky blackness......is double expresso ....

Posted on: 30 April 2016 by Mr Underhill
Hungryhalibut posted:

... all sorts of claptrap that can be dismissed as having little to do with the enjoyment of music - something for the round earth Hifi lover rather than the flat earthers raised on Linn and Naim in the 80s.

Careful HH, you'll be joining me in thermionic heaven before you know it!

M

Posted on: 30 April 2016 by engjoo

Last checked, my boxes are all black! 

Posted on: 30 April 2016 by joerand

Despite it's ethereal connotation inky blackness has a physical manifestation. Even with my chronic tinnitus I could still hear an increase in inky blackness when I moved to better gear and power strips. The music is delivered more out of a quieter background of nothingness in space. For me maybe like going from the Asteroid Belt to Jupiter, but it's not cold. I'm guessing Statement might delve the Kuiper Belt (with the proper power strip)?

Posted on: 01 May 2016 by Steve2

.................Starless and Bible Black.............

 

I think Anish Kapoor the artist has got the exclusive rights to the blackest black ever created.  It is a pigment developed for use in satellite technology I believe