Goodbye 282 - I shall remember you fondly. Hello 552.

Posted by: MDS on 16 April 2016

Regular readers might recall that I’ve twice tried a 252 in my system, expecting it to out-perform my 282. These were both long home demos but on each occasion, while the 252 dug out more detail, I found that on rock music the 252 just didn’t deliver the excitement I so liked about the 282 so the 282 stayed. A number of long-standing members on here said ‘try the 552’ . My dealer said the same. But the eye-watering price of the 552 caused me to wuss-out from even listening to it.

However in Feb curiosity finally got the better of me and I asked my dealer to set up an in-store demo. He duly obliged setting up a near-clone of my system, save for the wonderful Sopra 2s in place of my Electra1028be.

The afternoon’s in-store demo was easily enough to persuade me a home demo was justified and that followed immediately. Two things happened during the 2-week him demo.

1. There was so much more info reaching the speakers that on some material the bass was too much and the speakers needed repositioning to restore order;
2. Discounting for the Sopra’s over my 1028’s, I still felt that there was another difference from what I heard in the store and I suspected it might be that the store 555PS was the DR version and mine wasn’t. So the demo 555PSDR was duly installed into my system and, yes, that was instantly better. I hadn’t expected this as when I originally looked to upgrade the PSU on my nDAC I tried the 555PSDR at home and preferred the non-DR version of the 555PS which I went for. Searching for an explanation for this change of heart, my dealer and I concluded that the improvements I’ve made to my system since trying the 555PSDR v 555PS have changed the game. These improvements include Power-lines, full-loom SL, DR’ing the Supercap and replacing my 250.2 with a 300DR. Now my system seemed to cope with and appreciate the extra detail that the 555PSDR was delivering. [It would be appropriate for me to insert an acknowledgement here - yes, Naim, you were right]

So at the end of the demo I placed an order to get my 555PS DR’ed and serviced and, after a couple of weeks of careful deliberation and listening to my 282, I swallowed hard and ordered a 552.

Yesterday evening the new 552DR was installed. From cold and with the full run-in period ahead of it the jump in performance over the 282/SCDR was very, very obvious. I’m still awaiting the return from Salisbury of my 555PS so my CD player is currently native CDX2.2 to nDAC powered by XP5XS. Even so the 552 is impressing. I’ll avoid the usual superlatives, which I’m not sure do justice to describing the 552 anyway. The 552 seems to be revealing so much more, with cast-iron grip, and its presentation of the music seems bigger. I know I’ve got a lot of running in ahead of me and the 555PS, when it returns, will need running in too. But so far, so very good.

Finally, here’s a pic of the newly installed 552 on the top shelf of my ‘brain’ rack:

I always suspected that curiosity could be expensive. 

Mike

Posted on: 18 April 2016 by ChrisH

Nice write up Mike, I enjoy hearing about other forum members demos and trials and where it leads them, or not, as the case may be!

Sounds like a fantastic system, just wait till you get the DRd 555 PS for your CDX....congrats and enjoy!

Posted on: 18 April 2016 by MDS
ChrisH posted:

Nice write up Mike, I enjoy hearing about other forum members demos and trials and where it leads them, or not, as the case may be!

Sounds like a fantastic system, just wait till you get the DRd 555 PS for your CDX....congrats and enjoy!

Thanks, Chris. While I'm very much looking forward to getting my DR'ed 555PS back, I've been pretty stunned at what the 552 is revealing of my temporary 3-box CD player.  It's that good I could happily live with it as it stands.

Mike 

Posted on: 18 April 2016 by Tony2011

Congratulations, Mike. You should have listened to me in the first place when I told you to forget the 252 and go straight to the 552. 

You're welcome! 

Posted on: 18 April 2016 by MDS
Tony2011 posted:

Congratulations, Mike. You should have listened to me in the first place when I told you to forget the 252 and go straight to the 552. 

You're welcome! 

I remember the advice, Tony. I really wanted to like the 252 and needed two tries before concluding it wasn't for me.  Still, I suppose starting off with a 282/Supercap and then going straight to a 552 rather than via one Hi-Cap, 2 HiCaps, SC then  252, means I've saved a bit of money on the journey.  

Mike

Posted on: 18 April 2016 by nigelb

Mike, you always save money in the long tern if you can judiciously leap-frog some models on the upgrade route. I bet many of us can say products we wished we had missed out along the way. I wish I hadn't bothered with the 202/200 combo. Even though I enjoyed it at the time I didn't know what I was missing with 282/250 territory and above.

Posted on: 18 April 2016 by MDS

Very true, Nigel. I guess the trick is knowing where you want to end up and then plotting the most cost-effective route. Trouble is the original ambition gets modified by what we learn on the journey, both about different combinations of kit and our tastes and fancies. Or maybe that's all part of the enjoyment .

Mike 

Posted on: 18 April 2016 by analogmusic
Tony2011 posted:

Congratulations, Mike. You should have listened to me in the first place when I told you to forget the 252 and go straight to the 552. 

You're welcome! 

Hi why forget the 252?

Never had the chance to listen to one at home. I have 282/HCDR and was thinking what next 252/SCDR or 552.


Or do nothing and stay happy at 282/HCDR level 

 

MDS congrats on 552,  I am sure it will bring you many years of musical joy, but please kindly post your impressions of 552 vs 282 ...

 

This thread makes me curious too, and this may affect my bank balance... 

Posted on: 18 April 2016 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Analog, if you like the Hugo.. I suspect you will love the 252.. But don't listen to one at home unless you are prepared to irritate that upgrade itch.. There is a feel to certain music and a musical naturalness that simply was not apparent until I got this pre... Not sure how it does it but it's infectious and seems to excel at everything that is thrown at it...even Adele... well actually not so sure on that one.. Might need a 552 to cope with that.. 

Sure the 552 is more accomplished, but so far for me not sufficiently more of an upgrade but many of us  appear to hear things differently .. There is many an uber system I have heard where I have thought to myself.. You can't be serious.. this really isn't that great.. It might change as I get older I guess.. but treat with caution these night and day statements.. In my experience they are poppy cock..  end of.

Posted on: 19 April 2016 by Naimark

Very strange, 252 is more refined than 282...your impressions are mainly caused by cdx2 harshness on treble frequencies..I  reccomend to try 252 in combination with cds3 and hiline...

252 is much more better than 282 with supercap.

Posted on: 19 April 2016 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Agree for most the 252 is more performant than the 282 just like the 552 is to the 252.. It just the differences and degree of variation will vary from person to person. But not sure about harshness on CDX2.. Certainly not on my mk1 version that I have owned from new. In fact it's the opposite, it's a slightly filtered but very rhythmic sound that has its own appeal. (Listened on a 252).. anyway I think this is somewhat off topic.

Posted on: 20 April 2016 by Allante93
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Agree for most the 252 is more performant than the 282 just like the 552 is to the 252.. It just the differences and degree of variation will vary from person to person. But not sure about harshness on CDX2.. 

First off, congratulations on your new 552!

Going on two years now, following you gents.

For the most part, what I picked up was Serious Naim starts with the 282.

And tons of post, 282 vs 252, with the 252 being

more refined and slightly detailed. Suited for classical/jazz vs rock, less of the boogie factor.

 Not to many post on 252 vs 552!

For the most part, feedback been 552 in another world!

Cdx2/HCDR/ 3 x 250.2/ Fraimlite/Briks

 Thanks gents first and last Naim System!

Allante93!

Posted on: 20 April 2016 by analogmusic

first and last? you're done with upgrades?

Posted on: 20 April 2016 by Allante93
analogmusic posted:

first and last? you're done with upgrades?

Stick a fork in, and done!

The only reason I'm here, Linn did not service their older amps!  

Karin Pre Amp went out, sold it for $200 

Linn Crossover with Bingo Card went out, sold it & Dirak PS for $500.

Purchased all 2nd hand Naim:

2008 282/2014 HCDR/2013 200/2012 250

Bi Amped Briks

Upgrade: 2008 Cdx2

Upgrade: traded 200 for 2011 250

Upgrade: 2015 250/ Fraimlite 

Tri Amped Briks

Once one been Active, it's hard to do Passive!

Final Upgrade: SCDR & Snaxo 362 done!

First and last Naim System!

Not the best, but I can live with!

Enjoy your 272 & jaw dropping 250 DR!

Allante93!

 

Posted on: 20 April 2016 by wenger2015

Congratulations , going to be a very exciting time as your 552 beds in, many hours of happy listening ahead.

You must keep us updated, .......in the meantime  enjoy  

Posted on: 20 April 2016 by MDS

Thank you, wenger. Even at this early stage it sounds lovely.  I plan to update properly when I get my 555PS back from Salisbury and my source is back to it's four-box capability, though I know I'm going to have a run period with the 555PS too.

Mike 

Posted on: 20 April 2016 by wenger2015

I think your comments comparing  282 and 252 are really interesting, I've noticed a few comments about 252 being harsh. No such issues with the 552.....you must be sat listening with a huge smile on your face , and no doubt the best is yet to come...

Posted on: 20 April 2016 by MDS

During both of my long home demos of the 252 I never once thought it sounded harsh so those comments are a surprise to me.  I found the 252 detailed and refined but ultimately preferred the 282's boogie factor.  The 552 seems to combine the nice characteristics of both 282 and 252 (without the 282's warm bass emphasis) and then some.  

My dealer's counsel was I'll hear all the extra detail etc first and then musicality will come later.  Must say it's already doing a fine job so the prospect of more to come is mouth-watering.  

Posted on: 20 April 2016 by wenger2015
MDS posted:

During both of my long home demos of the 252 I never once thought it sounded harsh so those comments are a surprise to me.  I found the 252 detailed and refined but ultimately preferred the 282's boogie factor.  The 552 seems to combine the nice characteristics of both 282 and 252 (without the 282's warm bass emphasis) and then some.  

My dealer's counsel was I'll hear all the extra detail etc first and then musicality will come later.  Must say it's already doing a fine job so the prospect of more to come is mouth-watering.  

Apologies,  I've mis- read your opening comments.

Only heard the 552 once, it was at the recent Bristol show, I enjoyed the dem so much I went back 3 times, you must be in hi-fi heaven ....