Unitiserve - this is really really unfair

Confused - which apps are you using?

So I think you aren't actually using a Unitiserve, right? So maybe you are using the Naim app on an iPhone/android to look at music which is on a laptop and connected with a digital cable to your streamer? You won't see the other album info that way.  You need to stream the files from your laptop with a upnp server and then you will get all of the data on your Naim app which is controlling your streamer.

But as Adam says, it's a bit confusing as to what you are actually doing....

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David

You can enable various additional items via the DTC such as 'tracks', which you will then see in the Naim app. Maybe that's what's being asked. Or maybe not. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

You can enable various additional items via the DTC such as 'tracks', which you will then see in the Naim app. Maybe that's what's being asked. Or maybe not. 

You can do that in N-Serve too, not quite sure what the OP is looking for here?

Perhaps n-Serve for Mac vs Naim Desktop Client (for Windows)?

I suspect OP is using a Mac laptop, and the n-serve app. 

The desktop client does seem to have more functionality, but all the information is there and if I do want more info on composers, performers etc, I can get it from the Naim app on my ipad

agreed that OP needs to be a bit more specific in what they are looking for?

No. I have a Unitiserve which plays hi res audio from my 2 NASes. No streaming,  just  wires, which go into the UnitiServe from the router and then from the UnitiServe into the DAC and then into the stereo. The Desktop client is for the UnitiServe and runs on Windows 7. This is the desktop app with all the ponderous information for each album that is on the UnitiiServe, which it knows about via wifi. The other app which displays albums and album credits on my UnitiServe is running on my IPAD, the n-Serve app. This is the one which has much sparser descriptions for each album. And this is why I cry foul! foul! And cry for an update for the n-Serve app on the IPAD for the UnitiServe. Who would use the desktop client over an the ipad app. The best display of album credits should be with the n-Serve app.  

You do realise that streaming is actually done via "the wires" as you call it, don't you?

N-Serve is an app which maintains fundamental SERVER applications of NAIM's hard-disk playera: HDX and UnitiServe.

The app that you are complaining about /wish existed actually does exist and it's called NAIM app. It has all the album info one may need. It works with streamers though: ND5XS, NDX and NDS. 

Adam, not to pick nits, but using the UnitiServe as a player connected directly to a dac, and not over a UPnP (TCP/IP) network, is not "streaming" in many vocabularies.

Yes, n-Serve has not kept up with the Naim App.  Those who use the UnitiServe as a UPnP "server" to play to a Naim "streamer" over a home network do indeed have a better experience with the Naim App than those who must use n-Serve to use the UnitiServe as a player.

I'm curious, as a Mac user I don't have access to the DTC, instead I either use N-Serve for Mac (in addition to the iOS version) or log into the US via its IP address on a browser. What exactly am I missing out on by not having the DTC?

Why are we not keeping the n-Serve current with the Naim App. Shouldn't NAIM do this? Why r they not doing this? Can we get an answer?

I would guess that nothing has been changed with n-Serve because nothing has been changed with the server units.  Whereas a huge amount of work has been done with the various streamer(s) firmware & features - Muso, Multi-Room, DSD, Spotify, Tidal etc - & the iOS & Android apps (Naim app) had to be changed to accommodate this. 

antmast posted:

Why are we not keeping the n-Serve current with the Naim App. Shouldn't NAIM do this? Why r they not doing this? Can we get an answer?

As you are clearly exercised about the apparent inadequacies you could write to Naim and ask them directly. 

There is a method  to this madness. This response would be better placed in this public square. Perhaps they have overlooked advancing the app because of the server units as mentioned above. However lets  work to get the app updated.

the rowi data is that really such a big deal?

n-serve has pritty good data about the albums anyway.

The servers is not Naim's priority unfortunately, but I would much rather see tidal integration on the servers, than the rowi data I can get online if I want it.

Claus

Adam Zielinski posted:

You do realise that streaming is actually done via "the wires" as you call it, don't you?

N-Serve is an app which maintains fundamental SERVER applications of NAIM's hard-disk playera: HDX and UnitiServe.

The app that you are complaining about /wish existed actually does exist and it's called NAIM app. It has all the album info one may need. It works with streamers though: ND5XS, NDX and NDS. 

N-serve has more information about the albums thabn you seem to think. NO rovi data but if that is necessary you can get it online.

antmast posted:

No. I have a Unitiserve which plays hi res audio from my 2 NASes. No streaming,  just  wires, which go into the UnitiServe from the router and then from the UnitiServe into the DAC and then into the stereo. The Desktop client is for the UnitiServe and runs on Windows 7. This is the desktop app with all the ponderous information for each album that is on the UnitiiServe, which it knows about via wifi. The other app which displays albums and album credits on my UnitiServe is running on my IPAD, the n-Serve app. This is the one which has much sparser descriptions for each album. And this is why I cry foul! foul! And cry for an update for the n-Serve app on the IPAD for the UnitiServe. Who would use the desktop client over an the ipad app. The best display of album credits should be with the n-Serve app.  

 

So I'm still trying to understand the problem here. These albums you have on your NAS, did you rip them with the Unitiserve? Or are you using the Unitiserve as a sort of connection between your NAS and your DAC?

If the Unitiserve is used to rip a CD, then I don't think there is any difference between the information provided by the two apps.  But if you ripped the CDs to a NAS another way and are using the Unitiserve to serve the music from the NAS then I think the Unitiserve will only provide all the supporting data if it is saved where it expects to find it. So perhaps it isn't saved on your NAS where the Unitiserve expects it to be?

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David

My guess is that the way you use your UnitiServe is representative of a VERY small slice of customers.  On the other hand, Naim's streamers, including Mu-So and Qb, are supported by the Naim App, and together these seem to represent much more of the future of Naim. 

Just as some wish that Ovators would remain in production, some would love to see n-Serve for iOS updated and enhanced.  My guess, again, is that such has fallen beyond the reach of the radar at this time.

I too started with the UnitiServe used as a player, as you use it.  I migrated to using it as a server on my home network, and have been happy with that decision.

Good luck!

I tried using US as a player, but found it was easily bettered by a ND5XS, let alone by an NDX.

So like Bart, I use my US SSD to 'manage' my home music network, rip CDs to a NAS and to serve music to my streamers.

With such a set up, I think US is a perfect network component. It is used non-stop. When it decided to have a bit of a BIOS fit, I twisted my dealers arm to loan me another one for the duration of the fix, so that I could have my network function the way it was designed.

How was it bettered by the ND5XS or NDX as a player?

I tested them via a digital out into nDac.

there is a clear and audible difference between those when used as 'digital transports'. As one progresses up the range, sound stage becomes larger, deeper, amount of details become more evident, etc, etc. Also sound becomes less and less digital.

so ultimately I use NDX into nDAC, with an XPS powering the nDAC. It's close to NDS, but NDS with 555PS still betters it. It sounds almost analogue

My use for the US is to play into the stereo. I am a bit BAMBOOZELD that the streamer you tested outperforms the US wired technology. Are these units not using comparable internal components? Should stereophiles need streamers for home stereo playback of Hires files?

antmast posted:

My use for the US is to play into the stereo. I am a bit BAMBOOZELD that the streamer you tested outperforms the US wired technology. Are these units not using comparable internal components? Should stereophiles need streamers for home stereo playback of Hires files?

I don't really understand what you wrote. What exactly is it that you are asking?

Is it to tell you that your US is as good as NDS or NDX with nDAC? It's not even close to them...

 just to be clear: streaming here means using LAN cables - never WiFi.

No that is not what I am saying. However the US is as good as  the DAC you use. Is it any different with the NDS or NDX? Also I am confused with what streaming means here. Are you saying that the NDS or NDX will connect to the NASes via a router and Ethernet cables and perform what the same function as the US does only better? Is that what you call streaming?