S1/S2; first opportunity to hear this in a domestic environment

Posted by: u77033103172058601 on 28 April 2016

Not my domestic environment unfortunately and not ever likely to be.

My local dealer has just taken delivery of the Statement power amps to partner the pre-amp he has had for a while. I had found an excuse to pay a visit and enjoyed an hour of listening to a variety of music.

I (actually we, because my wife accompanied me) have been very fortunate to listen to a number of high to very high end systems in domestic environments over the last few weeks. All the owners are on here and all have systems and rooms that work really well and offer fabulous insights into the music. Apart from the immediate effects of making my system sound just that bit small (I learned to avoid playing the same music too soon after any visit) these visits and listening sessions have been really enjoyable and an opportunity to share and discover new music. I had enjoyed many hours listening to the other systems and the owners' choices of music (many thanks guys, you know who you are).

The S1/S2 plus Titan 808s are in a listening room that is a completely domestic setting. The overall sound seemed, to my tired old frequency-limited ears, to be in a notch ahead to any of the other systems (and another league to mine), combining all of the good points of all of the others; weight, authority, deftness, insight into the music and musicality in abundance.  I was only sorry that my wife came to collect me after about an hour after she had completed the shopping trip to Waitrose; she had drawn the short straw on this occasion.

My visit had been to lend him my speaker cables, thus rendering my system silent. Probably no bad thing after hearing the S1/S2/808s together. And this was, apparently, without the correct pre-power interconnect in place and without a functioning TT in play. I shall have to find an excuse to make another visit.

A good hi-fi system and music is (almost) life affirming.

Posted on: 05 May 2016 by u77033103172058601

Sorry, we should simply bow to your views and simply not offer any support, or otherwise. However, not many of us have had the opportunity to hear the system in a more realistic environment from that offered at a show, where there are, invariably, lots of other visitors, completely unknown acoustics, limited time and (occasionally) a very dodgy choice of music. (And in 99.9999% of cases, coffee that is even worse than that supplied by Charbucks.)

Posted on: 05 May 2016 by Graham Clarke

Oh, your perfectly welcome to think whatever pleases you, certainly not expecting anyone to agree with me, just this isn't new news!

Posted on: 05 May 2016 by Darke Bear

Well I got around to also having a listen today to the Statement System at Signals with their new Statement Power Amps. I was very familiar with the system sound in their room over the years as different items of equipment and speakers have been on demo - and being very familiar with the S1 Pre in my own system running Active with three 500 (non-DR) Active into S800 speakers, I had my own reference to form an opinion from my initial listening session.

The session was split into two parts, due to something I'll discuss later. The front-end was NDS Streamer with two 555DR supplies and Speakers the new Kudos Titans - all super-lumina cabled and the Statements configured to run in fully-differential mode between Pre and Power. An interesting fact was that the Statement heatsink was quite warm, so it runs in more class A mode than the 500.

First impressions was of a much more fuller, easier more sumptuously easy-detailed presentation. There was nothing at all to draw you from the music playing - very confident authoritative presentation - possibly the best Passive system I've heard. How did it compare to my own Active system? Well I still get a higher performance in most areas, important to me, from my own system, but I could hear that the S1 Monoblocks were providing a much more clean and delicately detailed rendering than my non-DR 500 system did, despite it sounding a little rounded and a little too laid-back compared to the Active system. But I use a different source which when I last compared was a little better than the NDS and I think the S800 in a different league to the Titans, so that was there in what I was hearing.

But - I felt something else was not right - it should have been better - and from previous very negative experience with it, I asked Alastair to remove the link-cable that allows the S1 Pre volume to be controlled from the NDS. Immediately things improved rather a lot - now there was not the dullness and overly laid-backness I don't like. As an Active user with a preference to listening female vocal I preferred it like this. I could imagine this may not bother some users as much - but the Signals team did hear the difference and were immediately scheming of ways to implement the same functionality differently. As it stands, at this level of performance and financial outlay I would not mar the performance to have the ability to control the volume from the Pad App - the remote does the job well enough for me.

After re-listening to the set of songs I know well again I found it all rather wonderful and if I had the money I'd live to have the Statement Monoblocks - but I'd also not go passive to get there - but that is personal, others may easy feel otherwise, as what was being achieved musically was very special. Ergonomically the Statement full system wins too!

As to how much 'improvement' comes from the S1 Pre and the S1 Power Amps - you could say 50/50 or 60/40 each with people deciding one way or the other. The S1 Pre is the necessary precursor to getting the S1 Monoblocks, so it is good I can use that with my lowly non-DR 500 system and enjoy what it does to Active performance.

Naim have achieved a special and immensely rewarding performance from these system boxes. I wish the Power Amps were not five times the cost of the 500 though! But it makes the S1 Pre look like a bargain!

My thanks to Alastair and Andy of Signals for their time and hospitality - very interesting!

DB.

Posted on: 06 May 2016 by MDS

Interesting and enjoyable write-up, DB. Thanks for posting.

Mike

Posted on: 06 May 2016 by Allante93
MDS posted:

Interesting and enjoyable write-up, DB. Thanks for posting.

Mike

I Agreed,  but then again DB is know for interesting post, but I'm an active fan.

But what stood out to me was DB's comments on the the source and Speakers.

As good as the NDS is, there are still some that would prefer the CD on the front end.

Also, the S 800's being in a different league, than the new Titans!  Anyhow, I think this would be an oppertune time to get an perspective from a Speaker Designer:

"Laurence Dickie, Hi end Speaker designer, Giya GT3's 

 

"Laurence Dickie: "I have always been a keen advocate of the active approach to loudspeaker design, believing that the direct connection between amplifier and voice coil offers the purest route and that the precision and linearity of active electronics give a clear advantage over passive alternatives. However for pragmatic reasons we felt it unwise to go to market with only active speakers. An important part of the design phase of the first Vivid Audio products was a re-evaluation of passive crossover design. It has to be said that the use of computer-aided circuit analysis has really changed the game. The accuracy possible to meet target responses while presenting a safe load is quite remarkable. This coupled with drivers which present constant impedances across a wide range of drive levels, non-polar film dielectric capacitors and air-cored inductors has permitted us to create passive designs which really challenge the active alternatives."

 

To Boot, Dickie reworked a pair of his 4 way speaker design G2's with a joint Venture with Naim. 

That's right 3 500's with Naim's own Snaxo.

Well, that's it, though that might also be interesting!

Allante93!

Posted on: 06 May 2016 by MDS
Allante93 posted:
But what stood out to me was DB's comments on the the source and Speakers.

As good as the NDS is, there are still some that would prefer the CD on the front end.

 

 

I'm one of them.  At the risk of being labelled a heretic, I preferred my four-box CD player to the NDS/555PSDR when I tried it. So I'm not surprised that DB prefers his CD555/twin 555PSDRs. 

Each to their own though.

Posted on: 06 May 2016 by Mr Underhill

In my journey with Naim I bailed at the CB, although I kept them long enough to get to the nDAC and NS01 - twenty years. Olive never appealed to me, and by the time classic arrived I had taken a different direction,  and one with which I am still happy & content. Now, I will never buy the Statements, but I did drop my ex-Naim dealer a txt to ask whether he has any plans to get them in - it would appear not; they have got me interested in hearing Naim again after many years. From what I have read it would seem that Naim has made a journey towards that round earth side?

Posted on: 09 May 2016 by Richard Dane

I've pruned this thread back a bit - can we please keep on topic and not start discussion on totally unrelated matters.  George, by all means start a new thread if you so desire.  I have mailed you.

Posted on: 10 May 2016 by b_lund
Graham Clarke posted:

Why are people referring to Statement S1/S2?  There's no such thing as an S2.  It's NAC S1 and NAP S1.

A pedant writes...

They could save those pop curved sides next please