Vinyl system, no streaming

Hungryhalibut posted:

To drive Saras, you are looking at a 250. Then you need a preamp: 282/Hicap or 272. 

Supernait 2 will happily drive Linn Saras, or any difficult 4 ohm speaker - even one as ancient and frankly superseded as that.

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Ah yes, the Linn Sara. A speaker that has special meaning for me. As one hi-fi dealer recently put it to me, " hard to drive, difficult to excite and somewhat erratic at high frequencies".

i did tell you my wife's name is Sara, didn't I?

That begs a lot of questions now....

Adam Zielinski posted:

David

If you decide to buy new pre-power (say 282 or 252) I'd wait untill at least July / August.
It seems NAIM may be coming out with something exciting during the summer.

this is a strange rumor. Summer is rarely the time for Naim to announce new products, and nobody has been abel to give a clue about the source of the rumor and why it should be be the classic pre range that  will get an update.

I think the statement/nd555 is one of the few rumors backed  by Naim but with no date for release if  ever.

My personal rumors backed by my spinning head is a 372 or 472.  

Claus

Skip posted:

Welcome back to the Naim Forum.

Question 1:  How many LP's do you have that you love already?  How many do you want to buy  in the future?

Question 2:  Seeing around the corner, how long do you expect to stay in your current setting?  How big a commitment are you willing to make to shipping records when you can carry on all this music digitally?

Question 3:  How big a commitment do you want to make to vinyl records and the related accessories, which include record racks, a place for the record racks, record cleaning machines, accessories for the rcm's, etc.  When it costs $1000 to replace your current record cleaning machine, are you reaching for your wallet, wanting to upgrade to the new sonic cavitation RCM, or running for the exits?

If you have less than 50 newish vinyl records, stop now and get into streaming unless you have a large budget for disappointment, garage sales, record cleaners, freight, etc.  Vinyl is all about analog and analog is all about money to isolate and manage your analog set up.   That means a commitment to shelves, vibration management, maintenance and QA personnel, etc.    In the real world, analog is a liability, not an asset.

If you have 200-500 mint vinyl records or more, accumulated over the last 50 years, buy a Superline and Supercap.    I have this setup and I am done shopping for a long time.  A Stageline attached to a new preamp and/or power supply will take you far.  My neighbor just bought a used Nait 2 for his cheapo turntable and he can't quit talking about it.  He simply plugs his cheap MM turntable into the back of the Nait 2 and his family are happier than ever.  They are playing the records their son bought before he went to college and are glad to have fun with it.

If you have bought these 200 mint vinyl records in the last 10 years since the vinyl "renaissance", go back to start and get into streaming.

Vinyl sounds good.  At its best, Naim Superline Supercap is up there with the best, and the best is vinyl sounds way better than the best CD.    The best hi-res download sounds as good or better than the best vinyl.   The question is, are you willing to wait with streaming until it catches up with vinyl?

Naim is right.  Vinyl is in renaissance.  It sounds better than your CD555.  Streaming is the future if you are getting started.   I have a lot of vinyl.  But digital is the winner in the end.

 

Hi Skip. 

All good and valid points. I have about 1,500 LPs, of which I love several hundred. I've schlepped them around the world, and moved many times with them. A huge pain, no doubt. And I'm OK for racks and accessories -- apart from the RCM, which is a whole other can of worms.

I have absolutely nothing against streaming. Yes, it's the future. In fact, I have another 1,000 or so albums ripped losslessly and gathering digital dust on old hard drives, awaiting their day in the sun while I hem and haw about the "best" delivery method.

And your system looks spectacular.  Lucky man.

Regards,

David 

Salmon Dave posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

To drive Saras, you are looking at a 250. Then you need a preamp: 282/Hicap or 272. 

Supernait 2 will happily drive Linn Saras, or any difficult 4 ohm speaker - even one as ancient and frankly superseded as that.

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Ancient and superseded is, increasingly, my role in the world. 

Every time I thinks seriously about replacing the Saras, I am paralyzed by guilt. But the time is surely coming - as soon as I settle on the electronics.

I've heard a SN2 driving Focal Sopra 2s - excellent.

dtchayes posted:

Skip posted:

Welcome back to the Naim Forum.

Question 1:  How many LP's do you have that you love already?  How many do you want to buy  in the future?

Question 2:  Seeing around the corner, how long do you expect to stay in your current setting?  How big a commitment are you willing to make to shipping records when you can carry on all this music digitally?

Question 3:  How big a commitment do you want to make to vinyl records and the related accessories, which include record racks, a place for the record racks, record cleaning machines, accessories for the rcm's, etc.  When it costs $1000 to replace your current record cleaning machine, are you reaching for your wallet, wanting to upgrade to the new sonic cavitation RCM, or running for the exits?

If you have less than 50 newish vinyl records, stop now and get into streaming unless you have a large budget for disappointment, garage sales, record cleaners, freight, etc.  Vinyl is all about analog and analog is all about money to isolate and manage your analog set up.   That means a commitment to shelves, vibration management, maintenance and QA personnel, etc.    In the real world, analog is a liability, not an asset.

If you have 200-500 mint vinyl records or more, accumulated over the last 50 years, buy a Superline and Supercap.    I have this setup and I am done shopping for a long time.  A Stageline attached to a new preamp and/or power supply will take you far.  My neighbor just bought a used Nait 2 for his cheapo turntable and he can't quit talking about it.  He simply plugs his cheap MM turntable into the back of the Nait 2 and his family are happier than ever.  They are playing the records their son bought before he went to college and are glad to have fun with it.

If you have bought these 200 mint vinyl records in the last 10 years since the vinyl "renaissance", go back to start and get into streaming.

Vinyl sounds good.  At its best, Naim Superline Supercap is up there with the best, and the best is vinyl sounds way better than the best CD.    The best hi-res download sounds as good or better than the best vinyl.   The question is, are you willing to wait with streaming until it catches up with vinyl?

Naim is right.  Vinyl is in renaissance.  It sounds better than your CD555.  Streaming is the future if you are getting started.   I have a lot of vinyl.  But digital is the winner in the end.

 

Hi Skip. 

All good and valid points. I have about 1,500 LPs, of which I love several hundred. I've schlepped them around the world, and moved many times with them. A huge pain, no doubt. And I'm OK for racks and accessories -- apart from the RCM, which is a whole other can of worms.

I have absolutely nothing against streaming. Yes, it's the future. In fact, I have another 1,000 or so albums ripped losslessly and gathering digital dust on old hard drives, awaiting their day in the sun while I hem and haw about the "best" delivery method.

And your system looks spectacular.  Lucky man.

Regards,

David 

My system is a winner.  Nice of you to notice.  All it takes is time and commitment, a stable lifestyle, a long term employment.  And a good dealer.   It takes all of those and more to own and operate a great vinyl set up.  I am very fortunate.    

I now need a new cartridge and a new RCM.   The sticker shock of a $3600 Audio Desk RCM cavitation system was just beyond what I wanted to do so I repaired my VPI.  The sticker shock of a new cartridge is far worse.  The benefit is to stay a nice system.   This is a big investment to maintain what you have already.  When you pencil out the cost, it is a substantial re commitment to a room full of old records that sound spectacular.  But who will care long term?   Analog is perishable.  The equipment depreciates and wears out.  It requires freight.  And physical maintenance.  That is my caution to young people who are getting involved in it.    I have had the same address for many, many years.  Not many people can say that in the US today.

My Audirvana+-Halide streaming is primitive but effective.  My Naim CDP is world class, and so are its power supplies.

My recommendation for you is to get a Superline.  Get the best preamp you can afford that will drive a Superline.  Later, get a Supercap DR and the best Naim system you can afford.  

Come see us if you are out this way.  These are all first world problems I know.