Stable control point for UPnP

Aha....

Yes... sell the HDX if the control point is everything to you.  You cant use J River exclusively as a control point, and not a server.  If you like it more, you can ditch the HDX. 

I would personally be happy with HDX and nServe app on iPad or iPhone.... if I already owned one and liked it.  Then you can stream to anything.... no computer required.... maybe a NAS?

Just buy an iPod Touch or better, an iPad and be DONE with it.  For a long time....

-Patrick

Hi aysil

I didn’t realise you had an HDX either. I understood that the UnitiServe (and I assumed that this included the HDX also) could be controlled via a web browser. I also thought that this applied to the control of all streams from these units. If this is not the case then neither is of any further interest to me.

I can’t offer anything further on JRMC, Patrick knows it far better, other than to say that it seems to be quite resource hungry. As I am looking for multiple streams (2 or 3) this may become a problem, not sure.

Did you take a look at the link in my first post above? 4u2stream is not particularly pretty, but it does work very well in my experience.

Peter   

Peter,

As far as I understand, Naim's position is to separate the UPnP stream control point from the server - to have it separate or on the client. Supposedly, this has advantages, especially if you have more than one client. It makes sense and it is no big deal. Your disappointment arises only because no cp located on computer is offered for UPnP, unlike desktop or browser gui offered for the servers in the same Naim range. This is why we both need to look outside for the cp we need, as we both belong to a minority in this forum who prefer a computer located cp at least occasionally.

HDX is a wonderful device and it suits my purposes, so I would not "ditch" it just because it does not control UPnP.

I HAVE TO EDIT MY ORIGINAL POST

I had reported I was having an issue with Kinsky Desktop as control point with my NDX. Upon contacting Linn software development forum, the issue is resolved. Actually, we found out there was no problem. I've been using it all day, and it's working perfectly. There should be no compatibility issue with Naim devices. Their position is clearly: "I believe it is a UPnP AV compatible device, so there is no reason why KinskyDesktop should not be able to control it (apart from bugs at either end)"

I can clearly recommend Kinsky desktop for those who are looking for a convenient and easy to use desktop control point for their NDX. On the contrary, I am still having problems with Asset Control. Maybe because it is a beta version, or because it did not like sth in my configuration. Those things seem to act differently in different systems.

To be honest, the front panel control of NDX (and n-stream if you already have an ios device) is more than enough for most listening sessions. Only if you want to compile playlists on the go for special listening sessions or for partying etc, and if you are already working on your computer and you want to control your background music, a desktop control is helpful.

aysil………….Thanks for explaining that. We are looking for at least 2 and possibly 3 streams to be available within the property with the ability to synchronise all streams with the same output; but also to be able to have individual streams. All this must be achieved without the use of wireless. If I understand you correctly this may not be possible, which would be a shame, as it is very easy to achieve this using products from our friends north of the border.

Peter

no offense but it sounds like you guys are talking about 3 different things in 5 different ways.

I think what each of you want is totally possible with Naims servers and renderers.  It all comes down to the control points of which there are MANY options.

If you are going with full house streaming of hi-end Naim gear, how is an iPad not on the shopping list.

Funny you say that, given that Naim's own streaming products within the Uniti family all feature Wi-Fi as standard–for most clients, a lack of wireless support is a deal-breaker.

Even when using NaimNet (which can be controlled from a desktop browser), I still prefer the iLinX application on an iPad to using a touchscreen or browser.

For single-zone playback from the Naim hard-disk players, desktop control is possible both from a browser as well as the Naim Desktop Client.

David,

could you give us a link of this possibility?

Hello David

This is not the place for me to go into great detail but I would ask you and others to accept that for some, wireless is not an option. This is not some sort of perversion but a very serious and necessary fact, a situation, which unfortunately is permanent.

Naim engineers took this on board in their usual brilliant way and built our box removing all wireless functionality, which is exactly what I asked them to do. We are and will remain very grateful for their help and understanding.

So, what’s my problem? I’ve become greedy I suppose.   I never understand the potential for streaming until I started reading other peoples posts here over the past year; the Qute was intended for my office but has never arrived. Adding an nDAC with power supply has meant it has become our main source, and is excellent. We simply want more of the same, and now I have decided I am retired we would like it for longer each day.

I spoke to an engineer again this week and again suggestions were offered, the one I have tried so far has been a success, however another option discussed was based around trying a Userve which is why I thought it would control all streams from the one point. I realise now that I may not have made it clear that this is what I had in mind. We talked about several possibilities and I may well have confused the issue.

Your mention of Naimnet is useful, it’s not something I have thought about, so will perhaps be worth investigation. Do I understand correctly that you are saying this can control a Qute as well as play locally or maybe a Qute + NDX?

Many thanks suggestions and advice are always appreciated,

Peter

Hi Patrick

None taken, I always assume people are trying to be helpful, unless it is very obvious that they are not. I will readily admit that I am not a lover of the i-everything brand. But, if that was a feasible answer for me, well who knows. I’m afraid its not an option at all for me though, so conflict avoided!

I sincerely hope that your assertion that what I want will turn out to be possible within the Naim product range. I have only bought one item in the last 34years that has not had a Naim badge on the front, a tape deck, and that’s because Naim have never made one.

Regards

Peter

aysil,

Have you tried to contact recently  the developer?

he was busy on another project at the date of our latest discussion.

But He's a very positive guy.

If we ask again for improvement on asset control, this software should be definitivly th ebest control point for an naim stream from a PC.

(Dbpoweramp is already the best tool to rip CD especially in .wav format)

Jean-Luc

@Peter_RN - you should speak with your retailer–no need to explain your situation, as I can think of a few reasons why wireless would be a bad idea (including life atop a munitions dump). Acute sensitivity to radio frequencies or financial / military intelligence duties would also require a sealed environment (no need to answer for that).

It has been spoken about here that the Naim servers will soon have internet radio functionality–if that's the case, your best bet for wired, synchronized distributed audio around the home may point to NaimNet room amplifiers with a Naim music server at the head end.

These can all be controlled from a (wired) web browser, and would provide (in my estimation, especially with an NNP01 room amplifier) significantly better performance than the amplifier section of the UnitiQute. You can also stream analogue sources around the home.

Bear in mind that this has been an option within the NaimNet universe for three or four years now; other manufacturers are only now dipping their toe into IP-distributed multi-room audio.

David….Many thanks fore your reply. I have just returned from visiting my local retailer who is unable to help directly but has pointed me in the direction of a NaimNet dealer. I will note your suggestions and seek their input.

I truly appreciate your taking time to make these suggestions.

Regards,

Peter

JLD (Jean-Luc),

I cannot contact Asset Control developer, because the related forum is closed. He must really be busy with another project. I must say I am now not very much motivated to follow this further anyway because my Kinsky is working well now and it has more features.

David and Peter,

Your correspondence about wireless made me wonder if the "not use wireless" setting in Naim stream players would not turn turn the wireless capability totally off?

Hi

I've posted a link  about this discussion on the related forum

You can go there:

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/sh...?t=20896&page=20

I don't think the project is closed.

I've also contacted Spoon.

Waiting for an answer.

Jean-Luc

As I though, actually the developer of asset control is working on another big project

We have to be patient...

But personally I'll continue to use it even the soft is not completely stable in beta stage.