Biamp NAP100 and NAP200

Posted by: Tham Kok Leong on 24 May 2016

 

I am newbies here,  I would like to get come inputs from others. Should I biamp my current setup.

My current setup is NAC202 + NAPSC + NAP200DR + HICAPDR.  I wished to add on NAP100 amp to drive my speaker  High Freq range and use my existing NAP200 to drive Low Freq range. (Passive bi-amp via HICAPDR connection)

My speaker is Proac D20R.  As per webpage technical specification, both of the amps are having same gain output which +29dB, except on frequency response and output Watt per channel are different.  Does it matter?

Please comments.

 

Thanks.

KL

Posted on: 25 May 2016 by hungryhalibut

Don't do it. Biamping with Naim is largely a waste of time. What is a good idea, though, is to remove the jumpers supplied with the speakers and use good links, or even better F connections on the ends of your speaker leads. What leads are you using, because if they are not very good you could always use the money you would have spent on the 100 on some better leads. 

Posted on: 25 May 2016 by Antonio1

seems to me a waste and loss too as the NAP100 would add to the party a lessening experience due to the mixing with much better equipment.

You seem to have a well matched system (we don't know anything about your sources, though- and that is extremely important) I'd like to listen to the new d20 , how do you find them?

Posted on: 25 May 2016 by Tham Kok Leong

Guys,  it look like biamping is not a good idea here.  I just wonder, if i to biamp with NAP200 instead of NAP100. Do you think it will be better option or I just drop the idea of biamping.

My source for the system are as:-

[1] ND5XS and CD5XS digital output to DACV1 which DIN to NAC202.

[2] Clearaudio performance DC to PRO-JECT Tube DS phono amp to NAC202.

Thanks for the comments.

 

 

Posted on: 25 May 2016 by Antonio1

But... why biampling? what leads you to think to follow this path?

Instead, you should really consider getting a psu for your sources at least

or changing  as they're not ideally matched, look at ndx or cdx2 level.

Posted on: 25 May 2016 by Tham Kok Leong

Antonio.

Thanks you for your inputs.  Yes,  I am considering on PSU on CD5XS or ND5XS and possible to upgrade NAC202 with better preamp.

For D20R, which is sound great especially run in over hundred hours. It sound so warm when playing with analog source.

 

 

Posted on: 25 May 2016 by Antonio1

no need to improve your preamp now, you'd better invest in PSU now and keep it for s better source later.

That's how to invest properly to get more analogue sound from yr digital sources, or maybe unitiserve in between.

Posted on: 25 May 2016 by ChrisSU

Your pre-power amp setup is nicely balanced, and I imagine it should be up to the job of driving your Proacs. I would start at the front end, and upgrade your source(s) first, then the preamp, before making any power amp changes.

Posted on: 25 May 2016 by Eloise

I may not be completely on the right track so perhaps others will comment...

But instead of a NAP100 to bi-amp (which is pretty much agreed by everyone to be a bad idea); try to demo a NDX against you ND5XS with DACv1 - I would thing that would be better matching.  Then sell the ND5XS and the DACv1 and you have a large chunk towards the NDX, with the money you were going to spend on a NAP100 all of the money.  Try the CD5XS both analogue into your NAC202 as well as digital into the NDX.

Eloise

PS. Can I ask how long you've owned the system as you comment "For D20R, which is sound great especially run in over hundred hours. It sound so warm when playing with analog source." it sounds (to me) you are upgrading very quickly after your original purchase.  If something isn't sounding right either there is something not setup quite right or you have bought the right thing ... chasing the sound with random upgrades such as NAP100 to bi-amp isn't going to bring you to audio nirvana (IME).

Posted on: 25 May 2016 by sjbabbey

Interesting that the OP seems to be happy with his analog source suggesting that it's the digital sources which may be the weak links rather than the 202/200/NAPSC/HCDR.

Agree with the suggested upgrade of ND5XS to NDX rather than adding a PSU. 

Posted on: 25 May 2016 by Bob the Builder

You have a really lovely system there and I do know the temptation is rush to the next upgrade but another alternative is to stay where you are for a bit and get the best out of what you have but if I were pushed I think I would trade in the dacv1 for an ndac and then leave it allto settle in especially if you have purchased it all new and recently. Play around with your streamer listen to some internet radio go onto Tidal and listen to some new music

Posted on: 25 May 2016 by Tham Kok Leong

I guessed for now is to stay with the current setup and enjoy the what I have now.  Keep an upgrade path later for the option of:-

[1] ND5XS + DACV1 to NDX

[2] NAP200 to NAP250

[3] DACV1 to NDAC

[4] NAC202 to NAC282

[5] ND5XS to XP5XS

Please suggest which will be better selection,  For your info,  I owned my current setup for a year.

 

Posted on: 25 May 2016 by hungryhalibut

Sell 202.

Sell Hicap.

Sell Napsc.

Sell ND5xs.

Sell DAC V1. 

Buy 272.

Connect CD5xs digital out to 272.

Later on, buy XPSDR.

Posted on: 25 May 2016 by trickydickie

You could probably do the first option now, if you can track down a used NDX as the proceeds from the sale would fund this.  WIth an NDX you won't need to retain the DACV1.

You should do the 202 to 282 before the 200 to 250 upgrade.

Richard

Posted on: 26 May 2016 by hungryhalibut

The reason for my suggestion is that you get an upgraded streamer and preamp in one fell swoop, and lose loads of boxes in the process.

Posted on: 26 May 2016 by Bob the Builder

Option 3   and that is it as far as I can see and possibly spend some money on your Turntable maybe a new cartridge and or new phono stage other than that you have a lovely system how does it sound?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

Posted on: 26 May 2016 by achique99

HH got a point, 272 is the way to go. IMHO I will follow Trickydickie's suggestion. swap your 202 for a 282 will do!!!