new streamer on the horizon ?

I don't think the collective 'wisdom' on here means a thing regarding new releases, but if i were a betting man i'd say there was a 50% chance that something might happen in the future maybe, or not.

We really need the good old popcorn symbol added to this forum 

I can guarantee that new streaming products will be developed by naim in future.

G

And they will sound better but will cost more 

Got it, will pop in a tarot chat

Antonio1 posted:

What's the view of members on the possible revamping of the line?

They're already 5 or more years out ?

To be fair, there have been quite a few incremental changes to the streamers, as well as new models introduced over the years. 

In no particular order, they have added 24/192 and DSD playback, Spotify and Tidal integration, Bluetooth, Multiroom, improved control app, and improved sound quality through firmware changes. Pretty much all of this is available as an upgrade to the earlier models. So you could argue that 'revamping of the line' has been ongoing for some time. 

The last review I saw of the Statement amps in a british HiFi comic contained a sidebar interview with Paul which mentioned that a Statement level streamer was in development. Which I suppose, strictly speaking is a statement of the obvious because there are probably scores of projects in R+D at any time. This is a source which I won't be alone in desperately wanting to get my ears on if it sees the light of day. 

It's difficult to believe they will stop at the 272, although they will be wary of treading on their own toes. Also, most NDS Firmware updates I've installed down the years (not all) have changed the sound, often for the better. This is likely because the DAC DSP is rewritten (usually) as part of the process. So in-line upgrades to existing products through things like FW is not out of the question. And as pointed out above, facilities  wise, the streamers haven't stood still at all.

i have high hopes for a NAC372 thats why i already invested to NAP300....

Hi Emre,

for the time being, you could bed a 272 onto springs (to lift it to NDS level in that respect), or perhaps use a temperature-controlled waterbed to soften vibrations? (-;

Stefan

hi Stefan could you please elaborate little more, i did not get it  specially the waterbed part..... 

Emre posted:

hi Stefan could you please elaborate little more, i did not get it  specially the waterbed part..... 

Some forms of humor do not cross the language barrier.

i just bought a temperature controlled waterbed for 272!!! Our funny friend Stefan had to pay for it now  

See the posts on the Sopra 3 thread.  Official (????) confirmation that Naim are working on a Statement level streamer?

Emre posted:

i just bought a temperature controlled waterbed for 272!!! Our funny friend Stefan had to pay for it now  

Naturally! So we have the NDS (for suspended, of course), and this is going to be the 272W (fort waterbed)! Best performance at 37 deg, with sharp decline +/- 5 deg!

S.

Any news about an update to implement the DSD 128 in the Uniti streamers?

My bet is on for a new HDX :-)

If Naim do a Statement level streamer a few questions spring to mind.. Do Naim

• decouple DAC and streamer transport, effectively creating a Statement DAC and transport.
• Radically overhaul the current streamer architecture which perhaps a little long in the tooth now.. perhaps limitations now apparent with existing architecture and with newer technology more could be possible with true DSP for room correction and less sensitivity to FPGA code sequencing on SQ , instead of the current simplified DSP performing a relatively simple reconstruction filter function with significant impact to SQ due to code sequencing .
• Use a custom made or bought in DAC converter. Naim have opted for the latter upto know, but great results can be made using bespoke designs like some other manufacturers do, and indeed Naim do with bespoke driver transistors. I guess this will depend on who Naim hires to architect the new design, and what the development budget is constrained to and development time line.
• support industry standard Ethernet fibre SFP connectors to eliminate conducted Ethernet noise, support industry standard FibreChannel for direct NAS / SAN / Disk connections to again avoid the noise issues of electrical connections (when using FiberChannel sic) and limitations of using IP TCP.

i would split this into distinct projects, and at least DAC/DSP and transpor. The two have very different challenges, requirements and engineering development skills. In addition there would probably need to be a project on internal system integration and decoupling as well. The overall project would be great one  for some lucky engineering architect to be LTDA for.

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

If Naim do a Statement level streamer a few questions spring to mind..

• decouple DAC and streamer transport, effectively creating a Statement DAC and transport.  
• Radically overhaul the current streamer architecture which perhaps a little long in the tooth now.. perhaps limitations now apparent with existing architecture and with newer technology more could be possible with true DSP for room correction and less sensitivity to FPGA code sequencing on SQ , instead of the current simplified DSP performing a relatively simple reconstruction filter function with significant impact to SQ due to code sequencing .
• Use a custom made or bought in DAC converter. Naim have opted for the latter upto know, but great results can be made using bespoke designs like some other manufacturers do, and indeed Naim do with bespoke driver transistors. I guess this will depend on who Naim hires to architect the new design, and what the development budget is constrained to. 

• support industry standard Ethernet fibre SFP connectors to eliminate conducted Ethernet noise, support industry standard FibreChannel for direct NAS / SAN / Disk connections to again avoid the noise issues of electrical connections (when using FiberChannel sic) and limitations of using IP TCP.

Could be interesting Simon.

Always good to see what Engineering solutions Naim come up with in a 'money no object' project which then trickle down into the lower ranges...

How about an entry level streamer for those of us who can't afford more than the intended series?

A dac-less streamer is what Naim needs to do, with USB, DIN and Coaxial output. Two models, a half box and a full. See my post on the "Hugo of streamers." The sound quality I'm getting with the Sonore microRendu in such a small package (ala Hugo, albeit at quarter the price) is nothing short of magical, and makes that elusive connection between ethernet and USB as simple as it could be (I really like the DAC V1, esp after the update). Of course now adding a linear power supply brings something like the Rendu up to the half size of a Naim streamer (or at least occupies the same space). If I wanted to keep my gear matching and price wasn't an issue, then I might have sprung for the Naim over the Rendu. Their loss (my wallets gain).