SBLs

Posted by: Johnny2Shoes on 06 July 2016

I recently bought a pair of SBLs upgraded with the mark 2 bass drivers. I was planning on using www sbls.co.uk as a guide to getting my sound right but the website went down the day I bought my speakers! I think the owner of the site hangs around on these forums? Maybe there's a way to get the site back up? It was a great resource.

Also, I would love to listen to a perfectly set up pair of SBLs so I can determine whether or not they are really what I want. My ears are taking a while to get used to them. Maybe I should just buy a pair of modern speakers... 

Posted on: 04 October 2016 by hungryhalibut

The original drivers have a raised lip around the edge. The Mk 2 drivers don't. 

Posted on: 04 October 2016 by silklee

Sorry. What's a "raised lip"?

Posted on: 04 October 2016 by hungryhalibut

Look at the picture in the first thread you linked to. Richard posted a picture of the original version. 

Posted on: 04 October 2016 by Richard Dane

Here is a picture of the original SBLs showing the earlier M-S built mid/bassdriver.  You can see the shape of the outer edge of the basket is slightly different to the later Naim built drive unit and that there is a raised lip to the edge.

Posted on: 04 October 2016 by Dave***t
silklee posted:

Seems like this site

http://www.sbls.co.uk/

which used to have a lot of information on SBL is also no longer available.

That's a shame, it was a good resource.  Naim themselves used to direct people to it.

Here's a photo of the mk2 drivers - note that the sides of the driver are parallel to the sides of the cabinet, unlike the picture Richard posted.

Caption

 

Posted on: 05 October 2016 by silklee
Hungryhalibut posted:

Look at the picture in the first thread you linked to. Richard posted a picture of the original version. 

Hi. Hungryhalibut, can I have your email contact. Want to ask you something in private.

I remember the forum used to allow us to write on someone's wall but now I can't seem to find the feature now.

 

Posted on: 12 October 2016 by silklee
silklee posted:

Can the SBL paxo be recapped/serviced?

To answer my own question, I emailed Naim and was told...

1. The SL2 "crossovers are no longer available new from us'.

2. Naim "can no longer service SBL crossovers - some of the components are no longer available"

What the general consensus? How long can a SBL crossover last till  it deteriorates to a point where it affects the performance of the SBL. 

Posted on: 12 October 2016 by Innocent Bystander
silklee posted:
silklee posted:

Can the SBL paxo be recapped/serviced?

To answer my own question, I emailed Naim and was told...

1. The SL2 "crossovers are no longer available new from us'.

2. Naim "can no longer service SBL crossovers - some of the components are no longer available"

What the general consensus? How long can a SBL crossover last till  it deteriorates to a point where it affects the performance of the SBL. 

The capacitors are the main components that may deteriorate over time (though not all do). Whilst the original ones might not be available, there are plenty of good audio capacitors around (at a vast range of prices), and it is possible to buy matched pairs to ensure both channels are identical. So, if the crossovers get to a point where they don't sound right it would still be possible for someone competent with a soldering iron to re-cap. There could be subtle differences in the resultant sound compared to the original - marginally worse, or better, depending on the precise original and replacement cap values (e.g. A cap value of 15.3μF may have been specified and one of nominal value 16 used but testing and selecting one with an actual value of 16, and unless that info is known the replacement may have a slightly different capacitance, also there might be tiny differences from other qualities of a different brand of cap) but undoubtedly better than with caps that have changed significantly in value or failed completely.

Resistors should be OK unless they've been driven heavily enough for overheating (which may visibly show) - they will be easy to source replacements. The inductors are more difficult, however unless there has been catastrophic overload (e.g. a failed power amp) then they should last forever.

As for how long they last, when I recapped my 40 year old IMF monitors a few years ago on the assumption that they would have degraded but gradually so un-noticed by me, there was a marginal change but by no means radical and I can't say whether it was an improvement. BUt it will very much depend on the original caps.

Posted on: 13 October 2016 by Innocent Bystander

Last post the "actual value of 16" should have read 15.3"