Tiger paw Wall shelf for lp12 in Naim system

Mange,

it's a win win situation putting your LP12 on a VulKan, not only will the LP12 perform far better, but the top shelf of your fraim will become available for the radikal. The top shelf is the best place to put a radikal, perhaps for the same reason some folk like to have their superline on top.

Logic and wisdom says the thin shelf may warp under the weight of an LP12 naim glass cup balls etc, but i've been using the thin shelf on 3 spikes for over a year so far with no ill effects. Perhaps i've been lucky?,  i've arranged it so the spikes on the VulKan are adjacent to the naim cup balls - 2 rear and 1 front centre.

Which interconnect are you using between your Urika and SN2 ?

Debs

+1 on everything Deb's has said- the Vulkan is an excellent support for your LP12. Very reasonable cost , excellent build quality. The biggest plus is getting the TT up to a civilized level for ease of use  !

ATB,

Mark

+2. I got mine for precisely those reasons -to free up some top shelf space. I did not add the glass and balls. You might want to try it native before you add glass. Getting the Superline on the top was indeed a big plus.

Dave

Thanks for the really helpful answers. Nice picture Debs.

Debs: I have the Linn silvers that came with the Urika. Do you have the Urika? The website information about the wall shelf says that the thick shelf is recommended for Urika equipped lp12s.

Stormange posted:

Thanks for the really helpful answers. Nice picture Debs.

Debs: I have the Linn silvers that came with the Urika. Do you have the Urika? The website information about the wall shelf says that the thick shelf is recommended for Urika equipped lp12s.

 

Yes i have Urika.

i was one of the first in the queue to buy a VulKan wall shelf,  Roger [of Tiger Paw Products] kindly let me have both a thick and a thin shelf to experiment with. The results aren't conclusively one better than other but i like the feel and look of the thin shelf. There are a lot of configurations possible when you dial in an additional glass shelf with naim cup & balls, plus the relationship with what kind of wall you have it bolted to, so results and opinions will tend to differ.

IME those Linn silvers need a Mayware adaptor plug to DIN  which unfortunately holds back far too much of everything musical. Others have claimed that using RCA connection is no better [or even worse]

...so i was just thinking you may like to consider a RCA to DIN cable for your next upgrade, the Chord Super Sarum Aray is sensational huge upgrade from Urika to a 552, don't know if this will translate the same for SN2 but can't see why not, you could also consider a Super Lumina but from what i heard at the demo i still rate them far too expensive even with a 20% discount - would be better off buying the Chord SSA, however If Chord do a Signature in RCA to DIN that maybe a fine compromise, but you really ought to get rid of the Linn silvers one way or another ; )

Debs

I have been thinking about the Chord ssa rca to din. My thinking is that I should probably upgrade other parts of the turntable before the cable,  like kore to keel or ekos2 to ekos se. The thing is I am happy with the level I have reached with my lp12. Also my lp12 doctor do not sell chord. A chord signature rca to din would be nice though. If it could be had with the special rca connectors to fit the Urika that is.

Mange 

+ 1 for Chord Sarum Super ARAY from Urika to Naim amp  

naim_nymph posted:

Mange,

it's a win win situation putting your LP12 on a VulKan, not only will the LP12 perform far better, but the top shelf of your fraim will become available for the radikal. The top shelf is the best place to put a radikal, perhaps for the same reason some folk like to have their superline on top.

Logic and wisdom says the thin shelf may warp under the weight of an LP12 naim glass cup balls etc, but i've been using the thin shelf on 3 spikes for over a year so far with no ill effects. Perhaps i've been lucky?,  i've arranged it so the spikes on the VulKan are adjacent to the naim cup balls - 2 rear and 1 front centre.

Which interconnect are you using between your Urika and SN2 ?

Debs

I don't understand the purpose of multiple platforms under the LP 12. Worth mentioning also that the spiked wallframe will need periodic checking for tightness. 

dektop100 posted:

 

I don't understand the purpose of multiple platforms under the LP12.

There is only the metal frame, an engineered wood shelf, and  'optional'  glass shelf with naim cups & balls 

Many believe the best way to defeat vibration is by utilising metal, wood, and glass within the design of the structure, such as what has been designed for naim fraim. 

Debs

naim_nymph posted:

dektop100 posted:

 

I don't understand the purpose of multiple platforms under the LP12.

 

There is only the metal frame, an engineered wood shelf, and  'optional'  glass shelf with naim cups & balls 

 

 

Many believe the best way to defeat vibration is by utilising metal, wood, and glass within the design of the structure, such as what has been designed for naim fraim. 

Debs

 

Strange isn't it?

Industrially a quite different approach is used, whether for microbalances or other vibration-critical equipment, most commonly employing either solid construction rigidly bonded to solid foundations, or solid dense construction isolated by some form of energy-absorbing elastic medium. These mounts vary from very simple solutions like a slab of concrete resting on rubber isolators, to sophisticated and highly  engineered products that are the result of considerable research and development. And thin / lightweight / relatively flexible materials for a platform on which something stands are avoided because they are easily caused to vibrate by direct acoustic excitation from noise in the room. I've never understood why so many hifi stands use sheets of resonant material (e.g. Relatively thin glass, that can act as vibration plates when in the same room as the speakers. 

My belief with an Audiotech wall frame, is that it succeeds by allowing vibrations to be disapated effciently. It's structure is light, minimal and rigid. That's why your set-up looks so strange to me eye. You've added mass, reduced rigidity and created more convoluted path for vibration 'loss'. 

naim_nymph posted:

dektop100 posted:

 

I don't understand the purpose of multiple platforms under the LP12.

 

There is only the metal frame, an engineered wood shelf, and  'optional'  glass shelf with naim cups & balls 

 

 

Debs

 

So, apart from the sprung suspension for the platter, held by the plinth which is supported by the rubber suspended Trampolin, which sits on a thin sheet of glass supported only by 3 balls allowing two of the corners to flex and vibrate, then supported by a thin sheet of mdf which sits on 3 spikes, also allowing 2 corners to flex and vibrate, which sits on a shelf that protrudes far from the wall allowing it to act like a springboard, which is then not solidly mounted to the wall by some decoupling mounts, allowing the whole structure to vibrate. On top of all this. the wall is vibrating, because it's not part of the solid floor foundation. No, there's not many multiple platforms involved.   

Naim use the 3 feet approach, because their gear has solid feet with no compliance.  

When I first converted to Fraim I tried my LP12 on the top, but it really didn't sound good in comparison to my rather ugly Mana reference wall shelf. I really think LP12s sound better on well-designed wall shelves.