Focal Sopra 2 vs SF Amati Futura

The sopra2 are a lot of a speaker for your 272.

You d need ndx/xps2 and either 282 or 252 /supercap well before.

EMRE, I had a listen to Sopra II's and SF Amatis last week:

https://forums.naimaudio.com/topic/speaker-shoot-out

Also 2 other speakers. I did not listen to the Sopra III's however. They are very different speakers. I did not actually like the SF's and even had they been available at a discounted price, I would not have bought them. My advice would be to find the speakers you like the best and not change your mind just because a bargain is on offer. It is really tough to get speaker choice right. So take your time and let your ears decide.

Dave

https://www.naimaudio.com/site...%20Naim_Focal_LR.pdf

maybe it is maybe it is not..... 

Naim were using a 272,XPS dr with both with a 250dr and 300dr at the Bristol show this year, obviously the 300 was better but the 250 combination did a sterling joc of driving the Sopra 2 so whilst the 282 or 252 should be an improvent the 272 is well up to the task but you do need the XPS power supply to bring the best out of it.

i do have a PS and future plans for 555PS..... 

Sonus Amati Futura is on the table just because it is a bargain, the old distributor is selling them with a heavy discount.

Bad idea buying after reading.

magazines just promote a product,best place to understand what 

I meean is at the dealer's.

you d discover that upgrading source and pre would prove a massive  improvement over the undernourished plan you 're planning to be trapped in.

Same bad idea is buying good deals.

But it s you money.

Experimenting and living is a better experience but reading is ok also, if we give 0 value to what we read from other people experiences what are we doing here  magazines are other story yes i know..... 

I value you opinion when i read it even i did not hear it. So i should keep in my mind about Source / Pre before speakers maybe...... but half price Amatis are tempting. 

When we talk about dealer demos in some cases we should keep in mind that in some countries it is a difficult task.  We might do demos but with what we got. 

I might listen Sonus vs Focal but not with 272/300 combo but with some other equipment, and no they don't do home demos.... They do have a statement in stock but not 300DR, i bought the one that they have 

Also when we upgrade my kit it is not always the ideal route, i did find a 300DR to good price and bought it, so the plan does not have only one logic but have price / avalibility components as well....

If i have a shoot at 35% discounted NDS i won't miss but not NDX  

Hi EMRE,

I spent over 5 years auditioning 5 star reviewed loudspeakers, most of which were "ground breaking", "set a new standard at the price point", "peerless" etc.  Almost all of them sounded mediocre or worse in our living room on our system.

The SF Guarneri Evolution was a truly wonderful speaker when I listened to it, until it went into our living room.  Then we had bass boom.
A super speaker but not in our room.

So, the SF Amati may be even better in someone else's system and room but my advice would be not to buy any top end speaker (including the Sopra 2) until you have heard it working in your room on your system.  This is especially true of any temptingly discounted "bargain".  There is usually a good reason for the discount.

Happy auditioning, FT

As you will be moving, wait until you get to the new place before buying speakers. In the meantime get an XPSDR for your 272 - you won't believe the difference. 

Got it, I can T be of any help, I ve a total different approach It would be impossible to figure out this plan to me.

also,going blind on speakers ,I di d, could work, but it s not at all a rule and very dangerous when moving on to serious kit in your own room with out trying first .

that doesn T mean you re wrong ,though.

but maybe a psu would prove to be the safer choice if you like what you have.

i have a TXPS, planing for a new 555PS

thank you all

as far i understand SF Amati is not a " oooooooo don't miss it " type of deal....   

In all fairness Emre, I'm italian and have know this brand since the late ninetines when they were much popular here and good buys, I do think that they re now costly design deals and a very poor choice with Naim.

There many a good loudspeakers which work wonders with Naim and I do believe  not hard to source over the globe,take your time listening to as many ad you can.

More then a year ago my dealer had a Naim - Sonus Faber event.
Every set sounded really good. Although Venere was a bit too bright to my liking (also with other brands of amplification)

The Amati was connected to 552/500 source was HDX.
If only I had the money...

It was a weekend event so the next morning I came back early.
As I was in the market for new speaker (Amati too expensive) I asked the dealer if he could connect the ones I was interested in.
I was curious how they would sound when pushed to full potential. Pretty damn good .

Yet when he changed back to the Amati's and I played the same songs I  noticed I could tell where which driver was located.
One song had a bit of a frequency sweep from high to low. And when that happened, it was as if the music was decending from top to bottom on the speaker.

My conclusion. Amati is a cracking good speaker. But I prefer the ones I have.

Hope this helps. Enjoy the search!

??? Locating each driver is a really poor experiencE.

Any valid speaker disappears.

Antonio1 posted:

Any valid speaker disappears.

Absolutely right!

Maybe explained it a bit too strong.

But as the frequencies went lower it was as if the soundstage went closer too the ground.
As if the one playing violin was standing up and bass was sitting on his knees.

Ken Ploegaerts posted:

Maybe explained it a bit too strong.

But as the frequencies went lower it was as if the soundstage went closer too the ground.
As if the one playing violin was standing up and bass was sitting on his knees.

Could of been poor positioning or more likely since you heard them at an event and probably with a few others that you were way off axis from the hot seat.

I was seated pretty good. An almost perfect triangle +-3m. 
And speakers were well away from walls

Only one other guy listening.

Ok now I get what you meant.

Ken Ploegaerts posted:

Maybe explained it a bit too strong.

But as the frequencies went lower it was as if the soundstage went closer too the ground.
As if the one playing violin was standing up and bass was sitting on his knees.

A violin player would be standing up, a double acoustic bass would be sitting on the floor maybe resting on the players knees ?

TOBYJUG posted:

Ken Ploegaerts posted:

Maybe explained it a bit too strong.

But as the frequencies went lower it was as if the soundstage went closer too the ground.
As if the one playing violin was standing up and bass was sitting on his knees.

A violin player would be standing up, a double acoustic bass would be sitting on the floor maybe resting on the players knees ?

True, but it shouldn't be sounding like it came from the ground up.