Herbie's Audio Lab - Fat Dots

Posted by: NewNaim16 on 30 July 2016

As mentioned in the Possibly the Cheapest Ever Upgrade(s)? discussion, I ordered and have now installed Herbie's Audio Lab's Fat Dots to replace the Blu Tack previously used between our ATC SCM19 speakers and Music Tools Entasis stands. I could have fitted spikes but this isolating material was attractive to us because it’s only 6mm thick so is hardly visible.

The result is clearly a more open and entertaining presentation. Vocals (especially females) sound as though they've been positioned further forward, high frequency percussion is crisper and there’s more bass too.

Per Audio Lab's suggestion, I used five Square Fat Dots per speaker – three along the heavier side at the front and two at the back. Their view was that "at 40 pounds each, the speakers likely generate a lot of vibrational acoustic energy with substantial structure to tame, so a fifth Dot is likely to be additionally beneficial."  The fifth Dot could alternatively have been placed somewhat toward the middle center of gravity.

Accurately maintaining the position of Dots (especially square) while holding and lowering into place such relatively heavy speakers is not easy, so round Big Fat Dots and/or the sticky version may be easier to handle. I may try three Fat Dots – two at the front and one at the rear although I’m a tad concerned about the speakers being accidentally knocked off the stand so will have to access the stability with three dots.

There may be other solutions but we’re very pleased with this new loudspeaker/stand decoupling and for us Herbie's Audio Lab's Fat Dots are keepers. This has been another lesson in how effective relatively low cost items such as isolating speakers can be.

Posted on: 30 July 2016 by Iconoclast

I've been using them for years. Only downside I found is when you attempt to remove your speakers from the stands. I had lots of fun prying them off with knife. I haven't yet tried to peel them off my speakers for fear of  pulling the veneer along with them.

Posted on: 30 July 2016 by NewNaim16

Oh oh, I thought that one of the features of Herbie's Fat Dots is that they avoided that issue. Are you referring to the version with the mild pressure-sensitive adhesive or the standard non sticky type? Mine are completely non sticky.

If I purchased the version with the pressure-sensitive adhesive I'd get the one with it applied to one side only but I could stick my existing Fat Dots onto the speaker stand with double sided sticky tape.

I'm not sure where you're based but if in the UK, did you locate a UK source? I imported mine from Herbie's Audio Labs in Texas direct which was no big deal but I'm curious. 

Posted on: 30 July 2016 by NewNaim16

In fact there are lost of reviews about how Herbie's Fat Dots don't cause any marks so I suspect that we may perhaps be talking about different products.

Posted on: 30 July 2016 by Ron Toolsie

Years ago I used some Japanese sourced 'Tuning Dots'...I think they were from Combak or something. The recommended removal of these without leaving marks involved pulling a length of dental floss between the chassis and the stuck on dot. Not sure if they did anything to the sound, but they made my speakers look like they had the measles. 

Posted on: 30 July 2016 by Iconoclast
NewNaim16 posted:

Oh oh, I thought that one of the features of Herbie's Fat Dots is that they avoided that issue. Are you referring to the version with the mild pressure-sensitive adhesive or the standard non sticky type? Mine are completely non sticky.

If I purchased the version with the pressure-sensitive adhesive I'd get the one with it applied to one side only but I could stick my existing Fat Dots onto the speaker stand with double sided sticky tape.

I'm not sure where you're based but if in the UK, did you locate a UK source? I imported mine from Herbie's Audio Labs in Texas direct which was no big deal but I'm curious. 

I'm in Canada so I bought them direct. The ones I have are the Sticky Square Fat Dot. Same as Fat Dots (6.4mm thick) with the added adhesive

Posted on: 30 July 2016 by NewNaim16

@Ron Toolsie: I seem to recall dental floss being the recommended approach to removal of unwanted manufacturers badges on motorcycles and very effective too   

@Iconoclast: Thanks for the heads-up on the effect of the pressure-sensitive adhesive version. As I struggled to get them stay accurately aligned while fitting the 40lb speaker, I regretted not buying the sticky version but maybe I made the right choice after all. If ever I remove the speakers, I'll use some double sided sticky tape on the stand surface only.

Posted on: 30 July 2016 by Bob Edwards

@Ron - Did you ever try the Shun Mook Mpingo tuing discs?  Hilarious.

Posted on: 30 July 2016 by kuma
Ron Toolsie posted:

Years ago I used some Japanese sourced 'Tuning Dots'...I think they were from Combak or something.

I was surprised to see them on TAD ( Technical Audio Device ) flagship speaker TAD 2404's horn driver. Apparently engineers used them as a part of tuning.

Posted on: 30 July 2016 by joerand

I'm not overly concerned about how my speaker bottoms look.

Gentle heating with a hairdryer seems a better removal approach than dental floss.

A three-point decoupling tack seems better than five points.