N272 with 250 DR

my set up was 200/202/Hicap/Napsac/CD2X/ND5XS i changed to 272/300DR/TXPS/CD2X  i am very happy with it and i think i made an affordable upgrade. 

I will add another PS to 272 ( XPS or 555PS) and move TXPS to my CD in future. 

I don't know if you can use DAC with 272.  

272 as a source is just fine with me, compare to CD2X sometimes i prefer my CD sometimes the FLAC, but sometimes the 24/192 is just better.

282/NDX vs 272 price gap is quite big...... performance gap is up for debate...

You'd downgrade.

The decision really depends on where you are heading in terms of source and upgrades.... I dont know why you dont want to consider the 282 - by all accounts this will provide a major step up from the 202.... 

However...

If you are looking for a good two box solution the N272/250DR is a very good combination - you have the potential to upgrade the N272 with a external power supply for an even greater level of performance... the general view of the people here is that a N272+250DR+XPS DR is an extremely good system.

In my view the two box combination of 272/250DR has a better sound quality than a 202/200 combination... but you should listen for yourself and make you own mind up...

But you also have a CD5XS/DAC/HCDE/NAPSC - I assume that you use the digital output on the CD5XS to feed the DAC - if you go the N272 route - you might want to consider feeding the CD5XS directly into the 272 -  that will allow you to trade in the DAC as well as the 202/200/DAC/HCDR/NAPSC.

You will need to decide if CD5XS+DAC feeding the N272 via analogue give a better sound vs the CD5XS feeding the N272 digitally...

If its really the 200 that you want to upgrade and you are happy with the 202 - then I believe that the 250DR will function with the 202 and give a improvement in sound quality..

If you also want streaming capability - and want to keep the 202, then consider a NDX or ND5XS - either of these with your DAC will drive the 202 well. The disadvantage being that this is a 6 box solution (7 if you decide to add a PS to the digital side of the business...)

If you wish to reduce the box count then 272 (preferably with an XPSDR)/250DR is an absolute winner.

But have you heard 272/250 up against your current system before you even consider any possible upgrades? 

Regards,

Lindsay

If truth be told I don't want to go the streaming route at all, now or in future so given its functionality the NAC 272 seems wrong here, don't want 282, don't want more boxes or to change source. Can someone not wave a magic spell so the 250 DR / 202 become a dream combination ? Perhaps the upgrade gods have decreed I shall stay with the 200 / 202

202/hicapDR/250 Dr The lesser of Two evils I d say .

But I'd do in any case cdx2.2 /dac before.

Calum F posted:

If truth be told I don't want to go the streaming route at all, now or in future so given its functionality the NAC 272 seems wrong here, don't want 282, don't want more boxes or to change source. Can someone not wave a magic spell so the 250 DR / 202 become a dream combination ? Perhaps the upgrade gods have decreed I shall stay with the 200 / 202

Well, I hear you loud and clear. 

Some prefer the the Analog TT, some prefer, the Digital CDP, and some prefer the convenience of Streaming. 

 A well respected member, posted a few weeks ago that a particular selection of tunes, was not available on Vinyl, so he was forced to dust off his Inferior CD 555.

So once again, we've entered a new Paradigm, where choice has prevailed, depending on Music, and Mood!

MDS, summed up beautiful:

MDS MEMBER
6/2/16 5:37 PM

Hi J

Your question invites an often-repeated debate on here between those who favour streaming and those who favour CD (to say nothing of the vinyl brigade!) with both sides quite passionate. So you're likely to get lots of mixed views.  For what it is worth my advice would be to think about the convenience you seek and what you're prepared to live with day-to-day. For example, if you don't like lots of CDs lying about and being stored in racks in your listening room, and you like the idea of selecting what you want to listen to from the comfort of your armchair e.g. by scrolling through albums on an iPad, then a streaming solution is probably for you.  

On the other hand the streaming world is still rapidly developing and like most software-based systems these days you will likely have to accept 'set-up' and 'update' requirements from time-to-time (browse the Streaming threads).  

CD, on the other hand, is mature and simple: insert disc into tray/drawer (if Naim, apply puck); press play. Simples!
People will debate the qualitative differences, even between different types of file formats, but in truth there's not much in it and if you're buying a Naim system you should rightly expect it to sound good, regardless of format.

Mike 

Personally, I'm on the same accord as you Calum, Sold My LP 12 Last Year, Cdx2 only at the moment, thinking of easing into streaming, 2nd hand Ndac, to accompany my MM, which I'm operating eg. iTunes and Airport Extreme to Airport Express. Not Bad, buy tunes for a buck, create endless Playlist, and even internet radio. But, not the same as CD playback, something about Cdx2/HCDR pumping out Antonio Forciano, and a Beautifully laid out Naim Label, that's hard to beat. 

Just my two cents! 

Allante93! 

Calum F posted:

 I weally, weally want a 250 DR

Why exactly is this?

C.

And what do you have against a 282? I was totally vinyl only all the way and then I got a Unitiqute and it was a revelation it was nothing to do with SQ and which medium sounded better I still love my record player and the sound it gives but I also love the convenience and the access to new music that a streamer brings it is the best of both worlds.

As a source, 272 would most probably be a downgrade from CD5XS + Naim DAC. I recently compared NDX to Naim DAC and in the end, kept the DAC. 

Nowadays  250DR is the most fashionable pièce of kit, yesterdays  it was one of if the most desirable.

That happened when Naim issued on their page the 272-200/250/300 combos. 

A dream ,come true

obviously DR.

I don't see what you have against the 282. I'd suggest that a more logical approach is to get a CDX2, then a 282, then a 250DR. Just grafting on a 250DR because of a Spice Girls song is not the way to assemble a coherent system. 

Looking at your system I don't see changing the power amp as a first priority.  Again have you heard what a 282 can do?  You have the hi-cap.   If you really need to upgrade something then it seems the logical thing to me.

But upgrading is not mandatory - so I'm told

İ would also underline it is not streaming vs cd vs analog

i loce my cd, still buy cds but also listen new albums trough tidal hifi, listen 80/90s songs ome after other when i feel like it

it is such a convenience and mix taping is such a joy it is must have

but sometimes listen classical and jazz trough my cd, listen my new classical box one by one

i used to listen my favorite blue note album from my concept

i enjoy them all, they are additions not subtitutions

so give a change to streaming -tidal- with a 272/250dr

Antonio1 posted:

Nowadays  250DR is the most fashionable pièce of kit, yesterdays  it was one of if the most desirable.

That happened when Naim issued on their page the 272-200/250/300 combos. 

A dream ,come true

obviously DR.

Very interesting, Antonio.

Could you please post the link to that combos page!

So Naim, waved the magic wond, and the 272 is worthy of an 300DR.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, that means that the pre amp section within the 272, can controll the NAP 300DR, and at the same time, perfect a balancing act between pre & amp.

Furthermore, it can perform the same balancing act with the single box, none DR NAP 200!

Quite an Act, perhaps we can expect an boost in sales.

Marque Separates: Natural Partners

552/500/300

252/300/250

282/250/200

202/200/250

272/300/250/200 ????????? Wow!

Allante93!

from what I heard when Naim took the N272/Focal Sopras on dealer demo across North America they were told to demo with the 300DR, long story my Sopras will be happier with my 300DR than 250DR

Uhmmm!

Hierarchy?

Perhaps

552

252

282/272 or 272/282

202

Talking SQ comparing pre amp section, using same source.

 Allante93!

enough said

Gents the reason I want a 250 DR is:

1) my 4 ohm Elac's which could in fact handle a 500 will devour the extra juice of the 250 DR over the 200

2) I'm only doing one component for another, no space for more 

3) 282 is £ 500 more than 250 DR (without NAPSC) and 250 just had a major re-work 

4) Prefer 202 aesthetics to 282 and last but not least my dealer will give me 71% of what I paid for my 2009 202 against the 250 DR so I feel I have to do SOMETHING

There you have it, the method behind the madness

Sorry 2009 NAP 200

If your dealer will do you a good deal on the currently very popular 250DR, he will more than likely do at least as good a deal on a (currently slightly less flavour of the month) 282. 

Incidentally, the NAPSC is included in the price of the 282.

I do agree about the aesthetics of the 282 though. That double row of buttons is 100% redundant to me, but my rack is in a dark corner where one black box looks much the same as another. 

I think you can order the 282 without the NAPSC and reduce the price accordingly 

Calum F posted:

I think you can order the 282 without the NAPSC and reduce the price accordingly 

I don't think that can happen, the Napsc is used to power the digital devices within the 282, while the 1 HCDR, or 2 HCDRs, or SCDR is used to power the analog devices within the unit!

Maybe it's for the benefit of 202 owners who have bought a NAPSC before upgrading to 282?