Active NAP500 DR Upgrade

Posted by: Darke Bear on 13 August 2016

I recently got my set of three Nap500 re-capped and upgraded to DR two weeks ago. They were eight years old so I was going to get it done in the next year or two anyway, but hearing friends DR update performance-lift in passive systems I was suitably impressed and wondered how it would sound in Active use.

Last year I purchased the S1 Pre which was a large upgrade in performance from the 552 I had been using. Add to that the full loom of SL leads I got at the same time and I’ve experienced a large lift in musical performance already – I was wondering if I was being greedy, the answer is obviously yes!

I’ll leave aside the painful run-in experiences, aside from that I really needed ten days warm-up to get from variable ‘HiFi’ sound to music-making. There is still run-in going on, which manifests as a meandering sinusoidal increase and decrease in performance over time, but it has settled enough to get some first impressions.

I’m very pleased and impressed with what the DR does. There is a lift in clarity and removal of ‘gaps’ in the resolution when music becomes complex or loud – it was as if before things gently smeared-out the resolution at transients. This is especially noticeable on drums and bass guitar notes when played fast. Now there is more power and definition on busy riffs that was not there before.

Overall the Amps produce a bigger and brighter picture of the performance – a larger window into the musical performance.

For example, on the old Renaissance ‘A Song for all Seasons’ which is a complex Prog-Rock with Orchestra, guitar, synth and Annie Haslam’s powerful soprano vocals the album becomes a live album! A friend who knows the Album well and my system, was convinced I’d swapped the CD for a live version – I had to extract the disk for his scrutiny before he admitted it was the same old CD. That particular CD (an old version) has large dynamic range and a lot going on that is now beautifully rendered with clearer insight into the performance and Artist-intent than I’ve heard before.

Overall the DR 500 resolves lower frequencies better and has lower distortion in the high frequencies. The LF does seem to have a lower roll-off point too – it is more seamless and fulsome in a good way. This matches what the S1 Pre did, as that also took the bass performance much lower with far better power and control. The combo CD555S (2x555PS)-  S1 Pre – 3x500 DR with Ovator S800 works together beautifully as a system in my opinion.

The usual question is – ‘why don’t you go Passive S1 Monoblocks instead of Active 500DR?

They are different systems in what they each do well and I prefer what I have done along the Active path.
I’d love the S1 Monoblocks as they are beautiful and in a different league to the NAP500 even with DR, but you still get the passive effect I don’t like – a gentle smothering of the dynamics and immediacy of the performance that is portrayed so much better Active. I can’t afford a set of four S1 Monoblocks - love to but can't.

Back to the DR 500: It is difficult to properly describe what I mean by grater ‘clarity’ - I'll try. The reproduced note-structure and power of both voice and instruments is as if they are playing inside your body at times – I’m not meaning playing loud, just more clarity and power in the harmonic structures with less smear.

And the system does go a lot louder with less dynamic ‘cloying’ at the edges – it is clean, clear and fulsome. One thing I like about a good Active system is the removal of dynamic effects of one part of the music treading on another – this is done much better now.

In short – if you are dithering about getting your NAP500 DR updated – get it done, funds permitting.

My thanks to Naim for turning it all around in two weeks and my Dealer, Signals, for making it all happen.

DB.

Posted on: 08 October 2016 by Darke Bear

Empty shelves can cause problems, but I've found they can work ok - the main thing is to ensure the glass shelf is pressed firmly into the holding rings to bed them into the wood sockets in the Fraim shelf. I discovered that cures the 'ringing' effect that happens when you don't do that first and just sit the empty glass atop the fraim ball-holders. So you carefully place a very heavy object onto the shelf for a few seconds then carefully remove it and the rings are then pushed into the wood and it works - otherwise you get problems.

The alternative is to use medium levels - you will definitely hear an improvement in your system that is worth a lot more than the price of a fraim shelf, but better to loan one from a Dealer and try, which is what I did first.

DB.

Posted on: 15 October 2016 by RICHYH

Hi DB,

I have had my 500Drs driving my new 800's with new snaxo bmr for 5 months now (all from new) and its all settling down nicely and still improving. I had a little advise and now have the speakers pointing straight into the room, the soundstage opened up and the sound became crisper. I am now starting to think of the Statement pre to replace the 552 dr. Do you think this upgrade would be bigger than the 500 dr upgrade or how would you describe it?

thanks

Rich

 

Posted on: 15 October 2016 by nigelb
Darke Bear posted:

Empty shelves can cause problems, but I've found they can work ok - the main thing is to ensure the glass shelf is pressed firmly into the holding rings to bed them into the wood sockets in the Fraim shelf. I discovered that cures the 'ringing' effect that happens when you don't do that first and just sit the empty glass atop the fraim ball-holders. So you carefully place a very heavy object onto the shelf for a few seconds then carefully remove it and the rings are then pushed into the wood and it works - otherwise you get problems.

The alternative is to use medium levels - you will definitely hear an improvement in your system that is worth a lot more than the price of a fraim shelf, but better to loan one from a Dealer and try, which is what I did first.

DB.

DB - I have one spare shelf in my single Fraim stack and I removed the glass, ball bearings and holders from this shelf for fear of them ringing. Do you feel it is better to retain the glass shelf on empty shelves using the holding rings embedded into the wood sockets of the shelf as you describe?

Posted on: 15 October 2016 by Darke Bear
nigelb posted:
Darke Bear posted:

Empty shelves can cause problems, but I've found they can work ok - the main thing is to ensure the glass shelf is pressed firmly into the holding rings to bed them into the wood sockets in the Fraim shelf. I discovered that cures the 'ringing' effect that happens when you don't do that first and just sit the empty glass atop the fraim ball-holders. So you carefully place a very heavy object onto the shelf for a few seconds then carefully remove it and the rings are then pushed into the wood and it works - otherwise you get problems.

The alternative is to use medium levels - you will definitely hear an improvement in your system that is worth a lot more than the price of a fraim shelf, but better to loan one from a Dealer and try, which is what I did first.

DB.

DB - I have one spare shelf in my single Fraim stack and I removed the glass, ball bearings and holders from this shelf for fear of them ringing. Do you feel it is better to retain the glass shelf on empty shelves using the holding rings embedded into the wood sockets of the shelf as you describe?

Retain the glass - but as I said, do ensure that a heavy object has fully-embedded the rings into the fraim wood, as otherwise it rings like a bell. If you do it properly then the glass is clearly superior in terms of a removal of a 'bloom' of mid-band coloration you get without the glass and better detail-retrieval - and just sounds 'right' musically.

Easy to try and confirm. In my system it works wonderfully well.

DB.

Posted on: 15 October 2016 by Darke Bear
RICHYH posted:

Hi DB,

I have had my 500Drs driving my new 800's with new snaxo bmr for 5 months now (all from new) and its all settling down nicely and still improving. I had a little advise and now have the speakers pointing straight into the room, the soundstage opened up and the sound became crisper. I am now starting to think of the Statement pre to replace the 552 dr. Do you think this upgrade would be bigger than the 500 dr upgrade or how would you describe it?

Yes pointing nearly straight bit with a minute toe-in of a few degrees is what works well with my system. They have sat there like that since I installed and did the tests and still working fine.

The Statement S1 Pre is bigger than the 500DR. Conceptualise the change the 500DR did over the non-DR then map a larger quantitative and qualitative change that the S1 Pre makes over the 552 to get an idea. It is so silly-better that there is no comparison. I did do and A-B comparison of a very well run-in DR 552 vs a spanking-new un-run-in S1 Pre and the latter slaughtered the 552 in all reproduction aspects - not even close. Better deep-tight weighty natural bass, and far better high-frequency performance that when you hear it is a shock - as the 552 is very good itself here, but the S1 Pre shows how much more is there to be had. The main thing I found is that there is a sense of 'rightness' and 'ease' with the S1 Pre that suffuses the system performance and initially sounds almost frighteningly neutral.

But the best thing with the S1 Pre is that after about 9 months its' performance just takes-off and it becomes even more silky-transparent and dynamic - it pleasantly surprised me, even though a Dealer reported that this happened, I was not sure I believed it.

But it is a lot of money and a home-demo is a must I think to settle your mind on it. Make sure you have it for a few days as it really likes to warm-up to slip into its best performance, but it will be immediately better than the 552. You get what you pay for in this case is true.

DB.

Posted on: 15 October 2016 by RICHYH

Many thanks DB. You are Excellent as always. The best UK Naim salesman and you always have time to give such concise feedback.

cheers

Rich

 

Posted on: 15 October 2016 by kevin J Carden

DB, having just upgraded my 52 to 552 and been utterly gobsmacked as you suggested long ago that I might be, I'd be very interested if you think jump from 552 to S1 is greater than 252 to 552 or not. Academic for me in truth, but curious! 

Posted on: 15 October 2016 by Darke Bear

It is greater, a lot greater. Statement stuff is in a different league.

Posted on: 15 October 2016 by kevin J Carden

I thought you might say that ! And I don't doubt it for a second. Statement is a gloves off, no cost consideration project by a group of experts in the field. If they've had free rein in design and materials, it ought to be in another league. Enjoy the ride!

i have to say a big thanks to you and everyone else who guided me towards 552. It was a big enough reach for me, but worth every cent. 

Posted on: 15 October 2016 by nigelb
Darke Bear posted:

It is greater, a lot greater. Statement stuff is in a different league.

Really? Oh bu**er!

Posted on: 15 October 2016 by Darke Bear

552 is a great Pre that I though I was going to see-out my days with - had it all DR-updated and it sounded superb. Then I was made aware of the possibility the S1 Pre could work apart from the rest of the Statement matching Monoblocks and hence with my relatively more humble Active system components.

For a number of reasons, including financial, I did not want to convert my system back to Passive to go down the full Statement Pre-Power path, so tried it in the context of the Reference range I already had. It worked very well and had me hooked after a short time. I fully-respect the alternative Passive Statement approach and have heard at my Dealer's what that system does - enough to know the Statement Mono-block Power Amps are in a different league from the NAP 500, even with DR, but I hear some of the Statement Magic in their sonic signature and I think the NAP500 DR is a splendid  working partner for the 552 and S1 Pre.

The 500 DR brings a huge lift in performance over the non-DR in terms of resolving things that were indistinct before into a new musical presentation and representation of music I know well, or thought I did. The S1 Pre does more of the same - and I'm sure (although I cannot afford them in Active mode) the Statement Power Amps would do more of the same again.

DB.

Posted on: 24 October 2016 by RICHYH

I am 6 months in now from new (running in the s800's and bmr snaxo too) and I have to say that over the weekend it really sounded excellent, really for the first time I was totally overwhelmed. It has been good or very good before but not as good as I had hoped. But slowly it has moved closer to where I had hoped, with a few set up tweeks along the way. The additional textures off the vocals and instruments were like I have not heard before, so involving.. Really excellent. So hang in there, it just gets better.

Posted on: 24 October 2016 by Darke Bear

Indeed - I'm very pleased with the overall system sound and presentation now. The 500 DR has opened out the performance incredibly and it is pleasing I'm getting all this from a 'humble' old 555 source. The most sensitive item seems to be the Snaxo box, but it can be got right and then everything snaps into place beautifully.

The recent 12 week opening-out had added a lot more top-end and bottom-end extension and precision. There is an awareness of the different sonic levels of instruments in the mix as well as their timing, as both the amplitude and timing resolution has increased. The lack of noise in most recordings is a pleasing revelation, as now the dynamics and power that perhaps caused problems before does not now - a clean clear open window to the performance.

Also it does run cooler - not that it ever got hot before.

DB.

Posted on: 24 October 2016 by ken c
Darke Bear posted:

 

Also it does run cooler - not that it ever got hot before.

DB.

mine used to run quite warm/hot prior to DR upgrade. i feel a lot better that they run cooler now...

enjoy...

ken

Posted on: 24 October 2016 by Darke Bear

Less distortion Energy = Cooler.

With an Active system distributing the load over three Amps and without any Passive crossover losses ... if you are running hot I would not want to be your neighbors.

DB.

Posted on: 24 October 2016 by ken c
Darke Bear posted:

Less distortion Energy = Cooler.

With an Active system distributing the load over three Amps and without any Passive crossover losses ... if you are running hot I would not want to be your neighbors.

DB.

just as well i decided to have my 500s DR'd and one of them serviced -- this must have reduced distortion significantly, evidently...

no problem with neighbours as my listening room doesnt share a common wall with them -- just as well since i sometimes play my system quite loud 

enjoy

ken

 

Posted on: 24 October 2016 by Chris Bell

DB, 

16 years ago I replaced my active 135 six pack + Snaxo/Supercap (powering NBLs) with a single NAP500, passive.  The sound difference was remarkable in favor of the 500/passive.  I'm curious if the new Statement amps running your S800's passive would out-perform the active 500 setup?  

Chris

 

Posted on: 24 October 2016 by J.N.

Super Lumina made my NAP500 run cooler too. Better 'load matched'?

John.

Posted on: 24 October 2016 by ken c
J.N. posted:

Super Lumina made my NAP500 run cooler too. Better 'load matched'?

John.

interesting John -- didn't realize SL wires also had this effect as well. all part of the total picture i guess...

enjoy

ken