Corbyn is a bit of a twit

JamieWednesday posted:

Hilarious story about the train with no seats...I mean you couldn't make this stuff up, it would seem too far fetched, too farcical. Yet while showing admiral restraint in defending their service against potentially business damaging lies, Virgin have politely shown the truth of the matter. 

Corbyn and his team have shown again they can't even lie well, they seem to believe that denial is the only and best policy

The man is killing the Labour Party, sooner or later someone with a bit of talent and charisma is going to have to stand up there and sort it out

And I am watching  it implode from the confront of my armchair!

According to passengers the train was full when it left London with not enough seats for everyone so some passengers including Corbyn sat on the floor. Later in the journey some passengers were moved to First Class creating spare seats so Corbyn was able to get a seat later in the journey. Other passengers then found seats after the train's first stop as people got off.

So not a lie and did raise an important point familiar to many commuters about lack of seats on trains at busy times, which Virgin has acknowledged.

So why was he and his team pictured walking past empty seats then?

JamieWednesday posted:

So why was he and his team pictured walking past empty seats then?

Presumably because many (as seen in the cctv footage) had reserved cards in or as he stated they had coats on.  Is anyone questioning why the other half a dozen people were sitting on the floor too... were they making political statement too?

Nope, there were rows of empty seats, without reservations.

Now I live in Peterborough, on this very line and use Virgin trains regularly. Yep sometimes the trains are busy, sometimes not. Often the first few coaches are packed and the back third has space. However I do feel if you're going to shoot a film having a pop at the crowded nature of a train service, pick a crowded train. 

I would also say there are a lot of trains running from what I can see and more services operate on the line, stoppers and the faster Virgin trains.

I'm  sure anything could be improved but I can only remember 1 trip in the last 5 years or so when I had to stand part of the way and I also approve of their punctuality by and large.

Virgin, their employees and the Union worked very hard to get a pretty decent service by and large and it hacks me off when someone lies to make a political point against something that is actually OK

JamieWednesday posted:

Nope, there were rows of empty seats, without reservations.

So what about everyone else who was sitting on the floor?

Surely no one believed that one week after making a speech about bringing transport back into public ownership he accidentally travels on a full train and sits in the corridor?  For as long as he is leader we are stuck with the Tories.  So much for a new form of politics. Embarrassing really 

He is embarrassing but doesn't seem to have the shame to be embarrassed

Eloise posted:

JamieWednesday posted:

Nope, there were rows of empty seats, without reservations.

So what about everyone else who was sitting on the floor?

I see it from time to time, some people will go and pitch up there even if there are seats available. Don't know why, seems a bit odd but there you go.

As one who battles daily with the ineptitude of Southern Rail, I'm up for that. Corbyn may be a bit bumbly, but his heart is in the right place. 

Michael Foot's heart was in the right place too but he was an unelectable, naive activist out of his time.  I fear Corbyn is the same and the end result will be the same dominance we had then from the Tory party.  Being a nice chap (and that's not entirely undisputed either) doesn't really cut it.

PS. The *truth* is likely somewhere between the Corbyn statement and the Virgin statement ...

dayjay posted:

Michael Foot's heart was in the right place too but he was an unelectable, naive activist out of his time.  I fear Corbyn is the same and the end result will be the same dominance we had then from the Tory party.  Being a nice chap (and that's not entirely undisputed either) doesn't really cut it.

I know what you mean. Teresa May may have nice shoes, but they cannot substitute for a heart. Shoes or heart, take your pick. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

As one who battles daily with the ineptitude of Southern Rail, I'm up for that. Corbyn may be a bit bumbly, but his heart is in the right place. 

It's a pitty that his brain is somewhere else.

Hungryhalibut posted:

As one who battles daily with the ineptitude of Southern Rail, I'm up for that. Corbyn may be a bit bumbly, but his heart is in the right place. 

I agree, I use Southern two or three times a week and they are shite. They should have their franchise taken away immediately.

On the Virgin East Coast Line (actually a collaboration between the reviled Stagecoach and Beardy Branson), it's better than their West Coast line, but its predecessor East Coast was a popular, profitable and (crucially) state-owned operator; in a fit of ideological spite (there's no other reason), a trio of Neolibtards - Camoron, Gidiot and the hopeless Patrick McGloughlin - decided that a successful state-owned enterprise that ordinary people were happy with was simply unacceptable, so they flogged it off on the cheap to Souter and Branson, at considerable cost to the taxpayer. Typical.

I often get the competing Grand Central trains from Kings X to York and Thirsk, and it's a much better service than Virgin. Cheaper too.

Tony2011 posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

As one who battles daily with the ineptitude of Southern Rail, I'm up for that. Corbyn may be a bit bumbly, but his heart is in the right place. 

It's a pitty that his brain is somewhere else.

I'm sure he can spell though. 

He can probably spell lots of words

Could be serious if Traingate is still on the front pages by Friday. If not, let's enjoy it while it lasts.

C.

Hungryhalibut posted:

Tony2011 posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

As one who battles daily with the ineptitude of Southern Rail, I'm up for that. Corbyn may be a bit bumbly, but his heart is in the right place. 

It's a pitty that his brain is somewhere else.

I'm sure he can spell though. 

Now now, Nigel. No need to get personal. It's just politics,matey. Innit?

I knew this one would run.

JamieWednesday posted:

I knew this one would run.

Unlike Southern's trains.

I think the argument for renationalizing the rail system is a good one.

Clearly, though, it doesn't need this sort of publicity stunt - nationalized trains will be just as crowded as private ones. The benefits can be lower fares through subsidy and unified through ticketing.

His first name is Jeremy, he must be prove his first name and complain (about trains or anything else).

But, more seriously, you cannot trust people who cannot loose. ErdowieErdowoErdo... is a sheer example of that.

I'm not Brit and therefore it's not my political party, but I greatly respect Cameron stepping down. Trust that man wherever he is going.

'Bring Back British Rail'

'Great Britain'

'Make Britain Rule Again'

'Rule Britannia'

... all you need is a new Falkland war, and the identity crisis is gone ...