Chance to upgrade

Dedicated spur. Dedicated spur. Dedicated spur. 

It will change your life. 

Then Fraim. 

Stu22 posted:

Makes sense guys - thanks.

Dedicated spur first then I will take it from there ..... I am still not over the line in relation to cables but am open to being proved wrong.

Stu. 

Ps - I have a Fraim. 

That is why you must organise an extended home demo of SL cables which takes out all the 'risk' of disappointment. These are expensive cables - no doubt. But prepare to be proved wrong!

Yours,

Pompous old git, Chesham.

Jay Coleman posted:

Dedicated spur. Dedicated spur. Dedicated spur. 

It will change your life. 

Then Fraim. 

Its a f#okin' RADIAL,   & one of those may change your life - maybe.  A spur is a branch off a ring & that will do sweet f-f-f  diddly squat.   

And hopefully a 10mm radial to really get the best out of the mains.

Spur, radial, whatever your UK sparkie recommends. I am in US so apparently misstated the actual method. 

i read this with interest, as I'm also tempted to update my 250DR to 300DR ... to get the black boxes sorted first.

Currently 272+555 into 250DR .. TQ UB --> Living Voice Avatar OBXR  (power cables are top end JPS labs, had em for a decade)

Speakers, mains etc are dependent on a potential house move in the next year or so but then again we might just stay put and do some house improvements.

If we stay put and refresh I'll sort out a dedicated mains, but today the downstairs current ring mains only feeds HiFi & TV plus a couple of table lamps, Kitchen is on separate ring.  so maybe not as compromised as some.?? 
stand wise its sitting on a cheap glass AV wide stand, so needs sorting.  looking at Quadraspire SVT rather than the Fraim

I like the TQ UB speaker cable over the NAC5, so could update the standard pre-power interconnect to match. 

I understand 272 to 300 needs two cables, so better to get the right cable to match.

Parlee-king posted:

If we stay put and refresh I'll sort out a dedicated mains, but today the downstairs current ring mains only feeds HiFi & TV plus a couple of table lamps, Kitchen is on separate ring.  so maybe not as compromised as some

If you use LED bulbs in the table lamps, which you may not do yet but may have to soon as supplies of halogen and incandescent bulbs vanish, there is the potential for the electronics in the bulbs to put hash onto your mains ring. Whether that would affect SQ is of course another matter, but you shouldn't assume that it wouldn't. 

Best

David

Hungryhalibut posted:

I hate to say this, but not everyone wants to be on an endless upgrade ladder. If one unbalances a balanced system, it so often ends in tears. 

This is so true.. and sometimes even a downgrade can be just as enjoyable musically and provide other benefits.

Perhaps its a bit like careers.. For some (like me) at  first you strive to earn as much as possible.. after 10 to 15 years you find that job and role you have strived for, it's great, immensely satisfying and you earn silly money... after a few years however you start to take it for granted and you are finding you are missing out on or neglecting other things in life.. it's all become a little obsessive ... you then eventually decide to down grade your job and salary.. but hey other parts of your life get  better... it's about getting the balance right    

Simon

Simon I agree with that career line, i've taken a less stressful job and get paid 75% of what I did.  Life is sooooo much better now.  We can enjoy the fruits of the hard years.   

Mains first by the sounds. I won't be visiting my dealer anytime soon. I am a pragmatist so happy to go one step at a time. 

Have a great weekend.

Stu. 

Jay Coleman posted:

Spur, radial, whatever your UK sparkie recommends. I am in US so apparently misstated the actual method. 

You are lucky as US don't have ring main distribution.    It's all RADIAL  (shame about the volts though)    

Do we really think that a 372 or even a 572 is on the cards at some point in the future ... Never say never I guess.

Stu. 

I'd say that a 372 is a virtual certainty. 

Interesting HH. 

It is like the IQ tests...

172 - 272 - ......

Fill the dots

With a great advice from friend I disconnected my TXPS from my 272, which was making the sound far too polite, detailed but with a loss of bass and prat. 

I add it to my cd2x and running 272 alone

I got a super source now, not loss of any prat, detailed and fast

Also 272 is more coherent with the sound rather than only big stage with air and detail, lost something got something

Jazz , vocal and chamber music's was sublime but something was missing with rock/electronic

So feels like that I made a choice but gain more than I lost

Hungryhalibut posted:

I hate to say this, but not everyone wants to be on an endless upgrade ladder. If one unbalances a balanced system, it so often ends in tears. 

Agreed but the op has indicated he is on the upgrade ladder. It's the whole point of the thread he started. 

I gave a number of suggestions that would improve the system while retaining a sensible balance, bearing in mind the OP's statement that there is no intention to move from the 272. What's the problem?

Hungryhalibut posted:

I'd say that a 372 is a virtual certainty. 

Is that to match the 300DR, and perhaps used with a 333PS, but not good enough to be a 572? Or are you using the other meaning of virtual? 

I'll let you decide. I'm feeling too tired. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

If one unbalances a balanced system, it so often ends in tears. 

Ahem.  That depends on which section of the system is "unbalanced" relative to the rest.  A CDS2-Nait - Kans is just fine.  A CD5/252/300/DBL is not.

Source first as an upgrade guide is still the way to go.

Hungryhalibut posted:

I'd say that a 372 is a virtual certainty. 

I'm not so sure.  Rationale...

I think that the NAC-N 272 is about as far as Naim can currently go putting a streamer, DAC, pre-amp and PSU into one box.

The next logical step in the evolution of the NAC-N streamer / pre-amp is to remove the PSU completely in the nature of the CD555, NDS, NAC-552 etc.
So I suggest that the next would be NAC-N 572 or NAC-NS.

I sort of agree... I'd expect the next one to have no PSU and to have a twin Burndy connection in order to use the full capability of the 555PS. So it would be a NDS/252 equivalent, just as the 272 is NDX/282 equivalent. That's why 372 would be logical, saving 572 for a top end 552 replacement. And before the anti 272 brigade start wetting themselves, I'm not saying that the 272 is as good as NDX/282, it's merely a broad comparator. 

N 572 running of a 555PS ... If anyone can, Naim can.

Stu. 

372 / 572 we all agree a non PS streamer which will use 555PS ( we all agree but Naim )

what would be the price range 7-8k? NDS level bu keeping the ratio?