Witch hat hat pin 4

I use a HatPin between my pre & power, and it was an improvement over the stock cable.

But if you already know you intend to end up elsewhere, I'd say don't do it. Wait, go for the thing you really want, and get (presumably, demo depending) the proper wow factor you were hoping for.

Waiting's frustrating, but bigger jumps are better.

I use HatPin Din to XLR from my N-272 to 300DR to very good effect. I upgraded to the Chord Sig TA and it totally screwed up the sound. I ran it 24/7 for 14 day to burn-in thinking that was the issue to start with but it actually got progressively worse not better. 

If I were to describe the impact I would say the music lost it`s sparkle and snap, its all sounded a bit dull and the sound was smeared, all a bit heavy and laboured. The one positive with the Chord was it did display a slightly wider soundstage but that was of little compensation for everything it took away.

Two friends also confirmed what I was hearing, the WH cables out performed the Chord by quite a big margin in my setup.

So again, it`s all system dependent, I was quite surprised as I use Chord Sig TA from Phono to Pre to great effect. 

There is a din to xlr that's definitely better than the Hatpin, and doesn't kill the music when used on a 272. 

Would you care to enlighten us ����

He's talking about the Super Lumina  DIN/XLR. He used the Hatpin  to replace his original Naim stock cable. This was  followed by the Super Lumina on his NAP 250.2/272. A progressive improvement was reported.

I replaced my stock Naim cables on my NAP 300 DR to good effect. Not sure if I should go for the Super Lumina.

£3000 SL  vs  £200 Hatpin. 

The cable in question however is a 4pin din - 4pin din

pre amp to snaxo

its my understanding there isn't a super lumina for this

lyndon

There's always something better. 15x the price of a WH cable for the big kahuna Naim cable...?

I'm sure it's more than lovely, but for the time being I'll go VFM. No offence, just reality striking (in an already slightly surreal context).

Dave***t

the super lumina is irrelevant for this, Naim don't make such a cable so vfm is irrelevant 

lyndon

Sorry, my response was to Rob, for whom it would be relevant. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

Sorry, my response was to Rob, for whom it would be relevant. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

There is a din to xlr that's definitely better than the Hatpin, and doesn't kill the music when used on a 272. 

I am sure you are right HH but as we know the price of such cables are way more than the WitchHat. At some point I will probably go the SL route but what the WH brings to my system is pretty spectacular so makes them great VFM  (in HiFi terms)

To clarify, I just wanted to get across the equivalent Chord cable at £1050 just did not work in my system, it just totally killed the sound.

lyndon posted:

Hi

does any of our forum members have experience of this ?

im specifically looking for something from the 52ps to snaxo Supercap ( I believe I'm correct in thinking this cable takes all the music from preamp to snaxo)

for the same reasons I'm discounting the idea of any elaborate din cable between 52 & ps ( I believe I'm correct in thinking this is for the digital section only)

eventually I will aim for chord sig TA & sig ref all round, just wondering if this is a worthwhile interim step

think I'm at the stage where anything other than cables requires a hefty upgrade all beginning with the number 5 

your thoughts / comments are appreciated 

 

I hear you Lyndon, the key word was Snaxo.

 I'm an Active Fan also, sometimes the cabling can get confusing, and was wondering if I was correct with the following:

Output to Input:

SL 5 pin Source IC, Cdx2 to 282

Snaic 5 pin, 282 to HCDR

SL IC 4 pin/5 pin, HCDR to Snaxo ???????

Burndy, SCDR to Snaxo

3 x SL 4 pin/XLR, Snaxo to Amps

Amps  to Briks

 Briks to Ears

Allante93!

Perhaps someone from the Active Club can enlighten us!

Allante93!

Hi Allante93!

more or less there, however the cable between the pre amp ps and the snaxo ps is a 4 pin din at both ends

lyndon

lyndon posted:

Hi Allante93!

more or less there, however the cable between the pre amp ps and the snaxo ps is a 4 pin din at both ends

lyndon

 

 

That seems like a problem, Looking at the back of the Snaxo, on the Website, it appears to only be 5 pin & Burndy Inputs.

 I don't know, I'm not there yet!

Cdx2/282/HCDR/3 x 250.2/Briks

The wire goes between the two power supplies, not the snaxo itself, hence why it's 4 pin on both ends. 

Output to Input:

SL 5 pin Source IC, Cdx2 to 282

Snaic 5 pin, 282 to HCDR

SL IC 4 pin/4 pin, HCDR to SCDR

Burndy, SCDR to Snaxo

3 x SL 4 pin/XLR, Snaxo to Amps

Amps  to Briks

Thanks HH, looks like you cleared that for me, and the OP!

Allante93!

lyndon posted:

The cable in question however is a 4pin din - 4pin din

pre amp to snaxo

its my understanding there isn't a super lumina for this

 

lyndon

I think I got it!

From HCDR output to SCDR input, then the SCDR's Burndy output to Snaxo's  Burndy Input.

So it's an SL Snaxo Interconnect, but it doesn't connect directly to the Snaxo!

 Once again Thanks!

How's that head HH ?

Allante93!

It's wondering why you are so interested about these wires. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

It's wondering why you are so interested about these wires. 

Because me and the OP, are Active Fans, and if we decide to go the SL route, we know what's entailed.

Once Again Thanks!

Hope that head is doing fine.

Allante93!

All I'd say is get a CDS3 and at least a 252 before even thinking about poncy wires. 

Allante93!

just looked at your profile, 

i don't know much about CDs so I won't comment on that

active briks is another world, you won't believe how good these things can sound, when I first went active it was with a naxo hicap and half a dozen 20 year old non serviced 135's 

the difference was like I'd been listening to them in another room before 

i would echo the halibut's recommendation of a 252, although a more cost effective option is a 52 and a 52/PS is generally considered to be a positive step above the 52/Supercap, I have tried this and concur

i would also advise you hold out for a 362, it's quite a big step up from the other snaxo/naxo

lyndon

lyndon posted:

Allante93!

just looked at your profile, 

i don't know much about CDs so I won't comment on that

active briks is another world, you won't believe how good these things can sound, when I first went active it was with a naxo hicap and half a dozen 20 year old non serviced 135's 

the difference was like I'd been listening to them in another room before 

i would echo the halibut's recommendation of a 252, although a more cost effective option is a 52 and a 52/PS is generally considered to be a positive step above the 52/Supercap, I have tried this and concur

i would also advise you hold out for a 362, it's quite a big step up from the other snaxo/naxo

lyndon

 

Yes, picked these Briks up in 1993!

Ran them passive with one LK 280, then bi amped them with a Spark & 280.

Then Full Blown Linn Aktiv!

LP 12/Genki/Karin/Dirak PS/ Linn XO with Bingo card/3 x LK 280s.

Linn doesn't support repair services for their older components.

Hence, I going the Naim Route!

You got it, next stop SCDR & Snaxo 362!

And thanks to HH, if we decide to go the SL route, we know what's entailed.

3 SL Interconnects, if Active:

SL 5 pin Source IC- Front

SL 4 pin/XLR IC- Rear

And if one belongs to the Active Club:

SL 4 pin Snaxo IC, which is not Directly connected to the Snaxo.

The SL Snaxo Interconnect is connected from Pre Amp's PS output, to the Snaxo's PS inputs.

Then the Burndy takes over, if one is using the SCDR, and transmit the signal from the SCDR to the Snaxo!

That's what nice about the Forum, a good source of Information!

Thanks to HH, and a host of others !!!!!

Allante93!

Hungryhalibut posted:

All I'd say is get a CDS3 and at least a 252 before even thinking about poncy wires. 

You might be right HH, but I think I'm going to focus on Streaming with my second System. 

If I do upgrade it might be an 2nd hand 555PS to the Cdx2 Mk I 

Different System, Different Rooms, Different Manufactures, helps keep one grounded, and open minded towards different presentations! 

Primare Pre 30/Arcam Mono Blocks/ King Cobra XLRs Audioquest/Vienna Acoustic Baby Grands!