Apple IPhone 7 - who's upgrading?

I can't not believe why you guys upgrade to a almost same Thing! I used to have a 6 then change to company 6s they were same, 7 ise same, Apple should think their game Again! 

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

I thought wireless headphones have been around for a while.. Tend to be convienient, but not great in absolute SQ terms.. Which is hardly suprising.. Also I don't think Apple designs silicon .. They tend to use ARM and other silicon chip and hardware designers.. I think Apple focus more on the design of the implementation, software and product rather than the underlying technology itself.

As far as upgrade, I'll look at the advances in the camera to see if worth while.. I use my iPhone 6 a lot to snap pics when I don't want to take my Nikon out... However I had such a palaver getting Apple to fix my then new IPhone 6 (the touch pay sensor was faulty) I am reticent to go through the risk of a similar experience with a new Apple phone product.

When Apple is good, it's very very good, when it goes bad, it's horrid...  

Apple's implementation is the innovation I was referring to.

I doubt very much that the chip in the headphones are Applr's customisation of an ARM design.  The A series chip have bee for a Humber of years Apple's designs .

Incidentally Apples does have a majority shareholding in ARM.

SQ is an interesting argument.

Apple might have done, but ARM is being privately acquired by Softback from Japan. I stand corrected apparently Apple did design their first chip for the wireless headphones... apparently Bluetooth based..

I'll upgrade my 5s to the 7 128GB because the display is damaged, but also because it became to small and to slow. I planned it before. Now I like the new black design and some features like waterproofness and features of iOS 10. Try to use my headphones via adapter in the beginning and perhaps later wireless headphones that will surely developed tons of tons (I mean in huge numbers).  

I ordered a 7plus 128gb, which here with Apple Care Plus was almost $1000.  In part I ordered it because my daughters 5s was dying; wouldn't hold a charge.  Yesterday we took her 5s to a local repair place and for $50.00 they replaced the battery, and it seems fine.  So I think I'll cancel that order, and just wait, as honestly my 6 pretty much does what I need it to do.  The photos are not great, but I guess I don't care enough to spend $1000.  And I think that someone I know will sell me a minty 6splus for a decent price if I want it.

Once I see / read more about what the new cameras do I'll decide.  And in any event I'm sure I want the 2017 iPhone 8 or X or whatever it'll be called.

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Apple might have done, but ARM is being privately acquired by Softback from Japan. I stand corrected apparently Apple did design their first chip for the wireless headphones... apparently Bluetooth based..

For those who don't know the history (and with apologies for errors)...

ARM (the processor design) was originally Acorn RISC Machine and designed by Steve Furber and Sophie Wilson.  It was originally ultilised in first Acorn Co-processor units for the BBC Microcomputer range and then built into the Archimedes line.

In the early 90s Apple were looking for a low power device for their fledgling Newton PDA and we're interested in the Acorn processor, but we're unwilling to buy processors from a competing company.  As a result ARM (the company) - Advanced RISC Machines - was setup with (something like) 49% owned by each of Acorn (by then owned by Olivetti) and Apple and the remaining 2% owned by VLSI Technology who made the actual processors.

Advanced RISC Machines was later (late 90s) floated on the stock market and became ARM Ltd.  In the Autum of 2016 ARM was been bought by Japan's SoftBank.

As for the Apple W1 chip... it utilises Bluetooth with additional pairing functionality.

Eloise posted:

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

Apple might have done, but ARM is being privately acquired by Softback from Japan. I stand corrected apparently Apple did design their first chip for the wireless headphones... apparently Bluetooth based..

For those who don't know the history (and with apologies for errors)...

ARM (the processor design) was originally Acorn RISC Machine and designed by Steve Furber and Sophie Wilson.  It was originally ultilised in first Acorn Co-processor units for the BBC Microcomputer range and then built into the Archimedes line.

In the early 90s Apple were looking for a low power device for their fledgling Newton PDA and we're interested in the Acorn processor, but we're unwilling to buy processors from a competing company.  As a result ARM (the company) - Advanced RISC Machines - was setup with (something like) 49% owned by each of Acorn (by then owned by Olivetti) and Apple and the remaining 2% owned by VLSI Technology who made the actual processors.

Advanced RISC Machines was later (late 90s) floated on the stock market and became ARM Ltd.  In the Autum of 2016 ARM was been bought by Japan's SoftBank.

As for the Apple W1 chip... it utilises Bluetooth with additional pairing functionality.

Apparantly Apple isn't too dependant on ARM as its been customising ARM cores in it's A series chips for a number of years (it could have bought ARM) and reducing its licencing fees.  In a similar way to licencing and customising Imagination's graphic cores.

Apple is also very accomplished in chip design, whether for motion tracking, camera image processing, wireless controllers, the 5K iMac and iPad Pro display timing controllers and so on. 

The W1 is Bluetooth controller for sure.  I'm sure that it is actually a SoC with others functions as well.

Jude

Customising and configuring FPGA programming cores or equivalent is possible and probably necessary and I am sure Apple is absolutely expert at this level of  'hardware' programming - but to me modern processing chip design is architecting  processing architectures and programming cores such as those licensed by ARM - I am not sure Apple have achieved this yet though I could be wrong. Certainly I hear  Apple do appear to buy a lot of licences for their products and perhaps they want to mitigate that going forward.

I do find it incredible that ARM have designed the significant proportion of the world's devices's CPUs .. for me its its a shame it will soon be privately owned by SoftBank (now now on iPad so should spell correctly..)

Simon

I think Apple does both, Simon. 

Prior to the A6 SoC of 2012, Apple used stock ARM cores.  Since acquiring PA Semi and Intrensity prior to 2012, the A6 was the first highly customised version of an ARM core developed by Apple.  Also, much of ARMs current designs originated from a consortium that included Apple, DEC, Intel, and others.  Its a matter of semantics as to whether this is 'hardware' programming when there is so much customisation.

It would be disappointing from technology advancing perspective, if the W1 is just a Bluetooth controller that is marketed without use of the word 'bluetooth' (i.e. as there are quite a lot of negative perceptions of Bluetooth) 

Jude

I was interested to see that RAW would be available with the new 12mp camera on it...Though apparently RAW is coming with IOS 10 this week too

ahh - so i might get raw image capability on my iPhone 6? If so that sounds something to look forward to and will allow me to create commercial images on my iPhone rather solely relying on my Nikon

S

No need to get a new iPhone ....

http://appleplugs.com

Very nicely done. 

Just put IOS 10 on my 5s and now have much swifter control of Mu-so and 272 via Naim app for some reason. Good.

I've just upgraded to an iphone 7 128Gb in black.  One major flaw in IOS10 - I turn off Siri (don't like it), which automatically turns on Voice Control (dislike this just as much).  Now, when I press the home button too hard (very easy to do) voice control comes on.  I've tried an online chat with Apple and they confirm you must have either Siri or Voice Control, neither isn't an option.  This one feature is really spoiling the new iphone.  I have given feedback about this to Apple, and during the online chat the person on the other end said a number of people have also complained about this. 

Still happy with my 6. Just sold off a 7 256G black I got from my Telco on a new contract.

Planning to fully depreciate what I have currently and hey it has a headphone jack for my IEM ! :-)

Sticking with 5C since is is working fine.  Will move to 5SE when the time comes. 

And don't forget on the way home with your new iPhone 7 to call in at B&Q and pick up a 3.5mm drill for your diy headphone jack. Full instructions on YouTube.

Willy.

Not me. I am keeping my Samsung S4 until it stops working.

I'm very happy with my 7 Samsung S7 that is.

Just to redress the balance .... I'm very happy with my Apple iPhone 7 Plus with its dual lens capabilities 

iPhone 7 owner here. Updated from 6S and this time I'm very happy. After updating from 6 to 6S, I felt little bit disappointed. 6S had clearly worse battery life than 6, it was bigger and heavier and later I found out that it can't withstand even mildly cold temperatures. It shuts itself and asks for charger in cold temperatures, like +5 celsius.  This time there's clearly better battery performance, overall smoother user experience, better camera and sturdier structure which is waterproof. Speaker is also much better, I use speaker quite much with phone calls and gaming of course. I also like the new haptic feedback with home button and elsewhere in iOS functions. I have very little use for 3,5mm plug so I don't find it that big of a problem. I do understand people who need it more though. Not sure about how 7 withstands cold temperatures but I'll find out soon enough, winter is coming. 

Pcd posted:

I'm very happy with my 7 Samsung S7 that is.

Don't those burst into flames?

kuma posted:

I am holding out with a flip top phone as long as I can.

The best thing with a flip-phone, is that if you are a drug dealer, spy or similar, you can theatrically break it in two before tossing it in the canal/bin/drain when you're done with it.