ND5 XS to NAC-N 272 with Nait XS 2

Posted by: Huge on 13 September 2016

I’ve upgraded from an ND5 XS to a NAC-N 272, still using the power amp section of the Nait XS 2.
One oddity is that the Nait still requires a power supply for the pre-amp, even though the audio is going in through the Power Amp In 4 pin connector (I conclude this actually connects to the last stage of the pre-amp).


Summary Overview

Positives: Many subtle improvements (detailed below), slight increase in PRaT, slightly firmer perceived bass presentation (no change in actual bass volume),

No significant change: Little change to overall presentation, retains the same sense of vitality and musical involvement. (N.B. as I was happy with the ND5 XS but wanted more detail and descrimination in the sound, so this is a positive result.)

Drawbacks: Increased cost (but justified by the more accomplished performance).


Details (and exemplars), compared to the ND5 XS
These points are generally true, applying to most music; each of the pieces quoted below are just specific instances that demonstrate the characteristic.


Much more discrimination of vocal presentation

Karl Jenkins, Adiemus; Adate Adea
This piece uses vocal and orchestral counterpoint, and the threads of the counterpoint can all be followed more easily.

Urbach & Bettgens; The Broken Lines Project: “Butterflies”
At several points, Urbach sings in unison with herself, the 272 easily resolves the two separate instances of the one voice, despite the fact that they are the same person singing the same note at the same apparent location within the sound field.


Much better presentation of orchestral timbres

J. S. Bach, Brandenburg Concerti; all (Dunedin Consort)
The ability to follow the counterpoint is much improved as the distinct characteristic sound of the individual instruments is better preserved. Instruments have less of a tendency to ‘disappear’ into a generalised sound field.

A. Corelli, Concerto Grosso No 4; IV (Avison Ensemble)
The ‘growl’ of the aggressively bowed ‘cellos at the end of the movement is better preserved.



Significantly easier to ‘hear the words’ in vocals (readability)

Karl Jenkins, Adiemus; Adate Adea
The words can easily be distinguished in each singer’s voice.

Mirabilis, Here and the Hereafter; Here and Hereafter
The voice (of a passed loved one) is set back in the acoustic. The better resolution of the NAC-N 272 allows the lyrics to be understood much more clearly.


Greater delicacy of presentation

All my Faith Lost, Redefine My Pure Faith; Dulcinea
The delicate interplay of the voice and accompaniment is presented with much more finesse, there’s a greater sense of air and a calm stillness.


Greater Orchestral scale

H. Berlioz, Sinfonie Fantastique; 4th & 5th movements (Concertgebouw)
The drama in the last movements is driven by a greater level of presence.


Improved portrayal of ‘mood’

Kara, Waters So Deep; Made of Light
This is a song about loss, and the sense of loss portrayed is yet more palpable here.

Ari Mason, Songs of Desire; The Curse
This uses syncopation and a set of ‘uncomfortable’ tonal transitions to produce a disturbing and disrupting effect, there is a small increase in the strength of the effect.

Mirabilis, Here and the Hereafter; Here and Hereafter
The pathos is and sense of loss are more strongly portrayed

 

I’d liken the change to be similar to upgrading your seat at a performance in an auditorium: Upgrading from a seat at the side to one that’s central. It’s the same music, but you’re so much more aware of the many nuanced subtleties in the performance.

 

Numerically controlled volume control

Another useful advantage is the numerically controlled volume control. This allows me to accurately set a volume before starting to play a piece:
Music Type : Volume Setting
Large scale classical needing oomph: 42
Small scale classical: 35
Modern pop / rock / electronica, set at correct transfer level: 35
Modern pop / rock / electronica, mastered for MP3: 27
Modern pop / rock / electronica, encoded as MP3: 0 (and stays at zero!)

 

Anyway that's my findings in my system, other people may well observe different things according to their listening priorities.

Posted on: 13 September 2016 by hungryhalibut

That's beautifully written, focussing on the all important musical aspects, which is always refreshing. I'm glad you like the 272, which is something of a star in the Naim catalogue. I'm assuming that a power amp will follow in due course - have you decided on that yet? 

Posted on: 13 September 2016 by Huge

A power amp is under consideration, 200 or 250DR and that will require careful auditioning as I don't want to loose the musical balance.

I'm also vaguely considering auditioning ATC SCM19s (which would push me toward the 250DR).

Currently it's not actually as critical to change the power amp as might be assumed, as the Spendor SP2s I use are an astonishingly benign load (6.3Ω min, 42° max phase angle, and that only at high impedance points).  I also like the XS 2's presentation.

Posted on: 13 September 2016 by hungryhalibut

There is of course the active 19, which would avoid the need for a power amp. Even if you later got an XPS, the idea of two boxes and a pair of speakers is very appealing. 

Posted on: 13 September 2016 by Huge

Hmm, active 19s, now that's an interesting thought, thanks.  I'm not sure how the 272 would handle driving long signal cables, but I suspect a lot better than the older single rail pre-amps with capacitatively coupled output stages.

Actually it wouldn't be adding an XPS, just replacing a cuddly toy with an XPS DR!

Posted on: 13 September 2016 by hafler3o

I'd just like to echo HH's comments. The 272 is most interesting to me as a 'next move' but I'm in no hurry (apart from an invite out this evening I had no say in so gotta go!)

Posted on: 13 September 2016 by Adam Zielinski

Very good summary Huge. I wish I read that 1 year ago, when I was contemplating: NDX vs N272...

I particularly like your descriptions of various improvements - clearly an improvement - improved power suppy, improved DAC...

Glad to read you are enjoying the new gear. As to 200DR vs 250DR - do audition both.
There is something very good about the lastest incarnation of 200. But it may behave in a little unpredictable fashion in different room / speakers combinations. NAP 250DR seems to be less fussy about those things.

Posted on: 13 September 2016 by Huge

Adam,

From my previous experience and efforts of designing amps, I think the biggest improvement between the ND5 XS & Nait XS 2 vs the 272 & Nait XS 2 is in the pre-amp.  Yes, I believe the streamer section is better, but the pre-amp is a lot better.

Posted on: 13 September 2016 by Adam Zielinski

Yes - I can see that. I have also noticed siginificant improvements between pre-amps as one progresses up the Naim upgrade ladder.

Happy listening Huge!