If you have a Naim NDS what Ethernet wire do you use?
Posted by: musicfan51 on 27 September 2016
Do you use Cat5 or Cat7 or one of the upper end Ethernet cables like from Audioquest or Chord? I know many say it makes no difference, though I have read articles that says with higher end systems (I would think a Naim NDS with 555DR would be considered high end) it does make a difference. Love to hear what everyone uses and your opinions. And does it matter on what brand of Ethernet port you use also? Thank you.
Has anyone on here heard a telegartner with rj45 connector?
Isn't that what's on an Audioquest Vodka?
Hungryhalibut posted:Isn't that what's on an Audioquest Vodka?
I thought it as a particular Ethernet cable? But it is just the connector we are talking about. Yeah I think that is the connector on the Audioquest Vodka .
Yes, it's just the plug bit. So yes, I've heard it.
What are you waiting for from AudioQuest?
For them to tell me what they told you. I know the Sales Manager as he used to work at my dealer. That's another reason why I think they know how to set up AQ cables up.
KRM posted:Tomorrow the Netgear GS305 and iFi iPower should arrive.
The Netgear GS305 will kill all the concerns about too many ethernet grounds as it does not carry the screen with its UTP ports. So join up your Vodka's & celebrate, CHEERS I'll take mine at sub-zero - straight.
Yes, and it seems like a neater solution than a crappy bit of cheap cable on the end of the Vodka. Dead cheap too.
so AQ Diamond ordered and AQ Vodka is going back
greekspec2 posted:so AQ Diamond ordered and AQ Vodka is going back
Excited for you! Congrats greekspecc2.
guess that's the perk of living in the states and or having a BestBuy or credit card to put them on and demo 
I can return them all if I don't like what I hear
That is my thought too! I thought of buying AQ Vodka Ethernet and replace my Cinnamon ! I tried Cinnamon just to see if it made a difference! And it did. So I'd like to go up one step. Can always return them to Best Buy if not happy!
musicfan51 posted:That is my thought too! I thought of buying AQ Vodka Ethernet and replace my Cinnamon ! I tried Cinnamon just to see if it made a difference! And it did. So I'd like to go up one step. Can always return them to Best Buy if not happy!
I've ordered custom AQ Cat700 Carbon Ethernet cables from BestBuy also
musicfan51 posted:Has anyone on here heard a telegartner with rj45 connector?
Most probably it is the same thing and costs about 15€ per connector.
Add a 2€ per metre cat7 belden cable
These are good brands doing quality products not the el cheapo stuff
musicfan51 posted:Hungryhalibut posted:Isn't that what's on an Audioquest Vodka?
I thought it as a particular Ethernet cable? But it is just the connector we are talking about. Yeah I think that is the connector on the Audioquest Vodka .
And diamond I guess, most likely exact the Same!
I've had a response from AQ confirming that "shielding is only connected at one end to prevent any ground loops". The cables were redesigned following feedback from manufacturers such as Naim soon after their introduction. This was indeed the reason why they exchanged mine. However, it shouldn't be an issue with a well designed switch.
Keith
But ground loops don't affect Ethernet leads... it's a myth .. carried over perhaps from induced ground loop currents in unbalanced audio leads... Ethernet i10/100/1000BaseT is galvanically isolated and uses balanced pairs.. We don't worry about ground loops from the earth cable in our ring mains do we?
What would be more valuable is to understand from the cable manufacturer is which end to bond to ground if one end is deliberately left disconnected.
Hi Simon,
Why would that be useful?
Simon-in-Suffolk posted:What would be more valuable is to understand from the cable manufacturer is which end to bond to ground if one end is deliberately left disconnected.
Absolutely !! this is yet more confusion from AQ, I suppose this is S/U/TP.
Mike-B posted:Simon-in-Suffolk posted:What would be more valuable is to understand from the cable manufacturer is which end to bond to ground if one end is deliberately left disconnected.
Absolutely !! this is yet more confusion from AQ, I suppose this is S/U/TP.
What does that mean?
KRM posted:Hi Simon,
Why would that be useful?
Hi Keith - to my way of thinking if you want to try and keep induced ground currents in the shield from conducting through the ground of your connected equipment - you want to know which way around to connect the ethernet cable... also if your equipment uses non earthed RJ45 sockets then there is no point connecting the earth end of the cable socket to it - if you want to earth the screen - as effectively it will be floating... unless you want it floating...
S
AQ told me that because the Vodka does not have a floating earth I should continue to use the Lindy plastic adaptor. But they have said to Keith that the shielding is only connected at one end, which presumably means that the floating earth question I asked was irrelevant.
This is the problem of not knowing what I'm talking about of course. But do we think I can dispense with the Lindy, which I have attached to the Qnap?
Ah, I see.
KRM posted:What does that mean?
There is no standard that I know of for ethernet with a one ended floating screen, its either no screen, a screen connected at both ends or a fully floating (unconnected) screen.
As Simon posted it would be useful to know which end is connected & floating. In your case with the GS305 its does not mean much other that if the connected end is into your NDS, then the screen goes as far as the switch & thats useful, if its connected with the floating end to the NDS then the screen is fully floating & I'm undecided on how useful that might be. Then the reverse might be true when connecting to the NAS or US.....
Also does this half screen method apply to Cinnamon, it does'nt with Pearl as I've just checked one that I have.
Then as per HH (Nigel), his post says AQ emailed him saying it does not have a floating screen
Hungryhalibut posted:AQ told me that because the Vodka does not have a floating earth I should continue to use the Lindy plastic adaptor. But they have said to Keith that the shielding is only connected at one end, which presumably means that the floating earth question I asked was irrelevant.
This is the problem of not knowing what I'm talking about of course. But do we think I can dispense with the Lindy, which I have attached to the Qnap?
It won't break anything Nigel. Home networks are so much easier if you don't bother with screened ethernet cables and then you don't need to worry about these issues which seem to cause a lot of confusion and forum bandwidth.