If you have a Naim NDS what Ethernet wire do you use?

musicfan51 posted:

Emre posted:

Does Audioquest produce these cables? or buys them and patches them? 

I believe a good cable makes a difference what ever electricity/analog/digital. I use best i can. 

But looking at the Diamond vs top range cables the price difference is out of balance. 

They are using TELEGARTNERs for sure and maybe a third party cat7 cable... what are they adding to the game other then nice box, marketing, unexplainable " tighter bass, open stage, more detail etc"  effects and a price tag! and What a tag it is!!!

But tell the truth even i am inclined to buy one, saying what if....  but my logic stops me. Then one of you guys says it is great and got me all confused, i can not try test them, we don't have best buy. 

Aren't Vodka and Diamond just fancy cables with 2€ per metre good quality cat7 cables plus 15€ each TELEGARTNERS put together?

Can you tell them apart when you listen them in a blink test? did anyone tried? 

 

Emre, you don't have a dealer that will let you try either Audioquest or Chord Ethernet cables and return them if you do not like the results?  Best way to find out if it makes a difference in SQ in your system is to try them! 

Thank you Musicfan1  but actually no, i will order them from UK like i did with my Cinnamon, NO VAT for me  

So thats why i am asking you my fellow forum members who got more opportunities to test and more experience/knowledge than me.... 

Also the way i think that If we test everything and decide alone what is the point of having the forum.

Isn't this Forum about  collective experience, getting knowledge by asking , old way of learning in a new format ?  

I am not lazy i read all i can, but still trust more to fellow forum members rather then dubious reviews that everything is bringing tighter bass, more details and open stage...  

So sometimes reading conflicting things makes me wonder and ask again.... 

Emre posted:

musicfan51 posted:

Emre posted:

Does Audioquest produce these cables? or buys them and patches them? 

I believe a good cable makes a difference what ever electricity/analog/digital. I use best i can. 

But looking at the Diamond vs top range cables the price difference is out of balance. 

They are using TELEGARTNERs for sure and maybe a third party cat7 cable... what are they adding to the game other then nice box, marketing, unexplainable " tighter bass, open stage, more detail etc"  effects and a price tag! and What a tag it is!!!

But tell the truth even i am inclined to buy one, saying what if....  but my logic stops me. Then one of you guys says it is great and got me all confused, i can not try test them, we don't have best buy. 

Aren't Vodka and Diamond just fancy cables with 2€ per metre good quality cat7 cables plus 15€ each TELEGARTNERS put together?

Can you tell them apart when you listen them in a blink test? did anyone tried? 

 

Emre, you don't have a dealer that will let you try either Audioquest or Chord Ethernet cables and return them if you do not like the results?  Best way to find out if it makes a difference in SQ in your system is to try them! 

 

Thank you Musicfan1  but actually no, i will order them from UK like i did with my Cinnamon, NO VAT for me  

So thats why i am asking you my fellow forum members who got more opportunities to test and more experience/knowledge than me.... 

Also the way i think that If we test everything and decide alone what is the point of having the forum.

Isn't this Forum about  collective experience, getting knowledge by asking , old way of learning in a new format ?  

I am not lazy i read all i can, but still trust more to fellow forum members rather then dubious reviews that everything is bringing tighter bass, more details and open stage...  

So sometimes reading conflicting things makes me wonder and ask again.... 

The AQ Cinnamon Ethernet cables produced good results for me over Cat5e. I have ordered a Vodka Ethernetcable that should be here soon! I am anxious myself to see what difference it makes! 

http://belden.catalog.belden.c...ducts/Category_41280

https://www.telegaertner.com/e...e/?IdTreeGroup=14252

this are not cheap material cables at all, 1-2€ for cable and 15€ per connector.... you got a home brew Vodka...

Or you die from alcohol poisoning ? 

What everyone think? 

musicfan51 posted:

KRM posted:

Sorry Gandalf, "...but they have done this NDS". What does that mean?

I wondered too! 

In short: it is a way to do shielding (multiple layers). Impacting to noise floor & details.

Hungryhalibut posted:

I thought you might say that. It's strange that a £4 piece of plastic can have such an impact on the sound of a £20,000 stereo. Or perhaps the word is scary, I don't know. 

Afternoon HH,

I'm now swayed by the arguments that even ethernet cables can make a difference, having installed an AQ Cinnamon between my NDS and switch, and an AQ Forest between the NAS and switch...........many thanks btw.

I've just received my Lindy adapter this morning, so, rather than trudge through the entire 12 pages of the thread, can you quickly suggest where best I ought to try it?

The fun never stops.

Dave.

dave marshall posted:

I've just received my Lindy adapter this morning, so, rather than trudge through the entire 12 pages of the thread, can you quickly suggest where best I ought to try it? 

As I feel guilty about all this Lindy 'must have' thing - I started it over a year ago to isolate a 2nd LAN ground - you should install it on your QNAP,  or for other readers same for any NAS that has metal shrouded port(s).    I've since 'upgraded' to MeiCord Cat-6 UTP & no longer need mine.    However intrigued by all this sound quality gains, I dug it out of the bits box & tried it again, but it made no difference & to avoid any potential change in NEXT I removed it.

Damn, this was an expensive thread to read. New switch order and I am looking at ethernet cables....

DQ posted:

Damn, this was an expensive thread to read. New switch order and I am looking at ethernet cables....

I bet it makes your Naim streamer sound better though! 

musicfan51 posted:

DQ posted:

Damn, this was an expensive thread to read. New switch order and I am looking at ethernet cables....

I bet it makes your Naim streamer sound better though! 

DQ are you going with Audioquest or Chord Ethernet cables? 

I'm going for chord, the AQ is a tad pricey for an experiment! 

Interstingly my dealer has chord is his demo room so that's a good enough recommendation for me.

thanks to all those that have shared their experiences

Gary

I was going to go for AQ Cinamon from Switch to server and Vodka to the NDS. Any views? 

Well well as said, 12 pages and in the end what is the result ?

We do not have a clear idea of the differences between Vodka and Diamond - most of the articles do not use high end material as some of our systems. Also some are totally critical and do not even ear the smallest difference.
So is it vodoo ?

No, on my side i experienced pearl - forest - cinnamon and Vodka. But it was when i had a HDX / Ndac / XPS as source.
I could at each step ear a clear difference. At the end of the test, i thought the Vodka was making to much for me, making the music tiring. So i stayed with Cinnamon.  Also, i made an almost full loom. Cinnamon from NAS to Switch - forest from switch to wall - then 25 meters to go to the wal of the listening room of industrial CAT 6 and finally a last Cinnamon.

When passed to NDS, everything changed for the better as all of you can expect except for cables. Then i switched the cinnamon and the forest (placed then at the last meter). Unexpected hugh ? Yes definitely but i thought again the last cinnamon was making to much...

Then moving from Hiline to Superlumina - again something was wrong .... Then i did full loom Cinnamon and got a perfect balance ! In the last case, i only start now to consider that the last meter could be better than a cinnamon. Maybe try another vodka or break the wallet for a Diamond.

What can i conclude from this experience ? I let you guess ... Nooo just that the balance is difficult to get. I finally thought that the Hiline was the weakest part of my system - The SL effect is quiet amazing in fact.

Do the cables play a "big" role ? Well, it does because it brings this part of magic we are looking for. But objectively, the effect is not that dramatic ...

I would advise to consider buying those cables only once your system is already very well optimised. It is like a cherry on a cake. Nothing more. In the end, is it worth the money spent. On my point of view yes, the cinnamon are affordable even if already expensive for a network cable.

If i have chance to go further again with the higher range of AQ, i will let you know.

Cheers everybody.

Ikoun posted:

Well well as said, 12 pages and in the end what is the result ?

We do not have a clear idea of the differences between Vodka and Diamond - most of the articles do not use high end material as some of our systems. Also some are totally critical and do not even ear the smallest difference.
So is it vodoo ?

No, on my side i experienced pearl - forest - cinnamon and Vodka. But it was when i had a HDX / Ndac / XPS as source.
I could at each step ear a clear difference. At the end of the test, i thought the Vodka was making to much for me, making the music tiring. So i stayed with Cinnamon.  Also, i made an almost full loom. Cinnamon from NAS to Switch - forest from switch to wall - then 25 meters to go to the wal of the listening room of industrial CAT 6 and finally a last Cinnamon.

When passed to NDS, everything changed for the better as all of you can expect except for cables. Then i switched the cinnamon and the forest (placed then at the last meter). Unexpected hugh ? Yes definitely but i thought again the last cinnamon was making to much...

Then moving from Hiline to Superlumina - again something was wrong .... Then i did full loom Cinnamon and got a perfect balance ! In the last case, i only start now to consider that the last meter could be better than a cinnamon. Maybe try another vodka or break the wallet for a Diamond.

What can i conclude from this experience ? I let you guess ... Nooo just that the balance is difficult to get. I finally thought that the Hiline was the weakest part of my system - The SL effect is quiet amazing in fact.

Do the cables play a "big" role ? Well, it does because it brings this part of magic we are looking for. But objectively, the effect is not that dramatic ...

I would advise to consider buying those cables only once your system is already very well optimised. It is like a cherry on a cake. Nothing more. In the end, is it worth the money spent. On my point of view yes, the cinnamon are affordable even if already expensive for a network cable.

If i have chance to go further again with the higher range of AQ, i will let you know.

Cheers everybody.

Very interesting post IKoun. Thank you very much for your input! I am all Cinnamon from NAS and HDX to switch then to my Naim NDS/555DR combo! I am going to try Vodka simply from Switch to NDS. Hopefully that will a worthwhile improvement and not too much! I ponder if Vodka all the away around is too much or not! Have to try the first one to see what I think ! 

Of course, every system are different. And for most of the people, Vodka is better. On my case and taste, it was different. But it is true that the Vodka effect is bigger than the one from cinnamon.

Now as i said, with my current source and the SL effect, the game was completely different. The forest didn't fit at all. Once cinnamon "back", it was and it is still absolutely wonderfull. Last question is : Would it be again better with a higher cable ?

Your answer can be teachfull. Let me know.
Cheers.

Ikoun posted:

Of course, every system are different. And for most of the people, Vodka is better. On my case and taste, it was different. But it is true that the Vodka effect is bigger than the one from cinnamon.

Now as i said, with my current source and the SL effect, the game was completely different. The forest didn't fit at all. Once cinnamon "back", it was and it is still absolutely wonderfull. Last question is : Would it be again better with a higher cable ?

Your answer can be teachfull. Let me know.
Cheers.

May I ask what stereo equipment you are using in your whole  system IKoun? Including all cables. 

Ikoun posted:

Of course, every system are different. And for most of the people, Vodka is better. On my case and taste, it was different. But it is true that the Vodka effect is bigger than the one from cinnamon.

Now as i said, with my current source and the SL effect, the game was completely different. The forest didn't fit at all. Once cinnamon "back", it was and it is still absolutely wonderfull. Last question is : Would it be again better with a higher cable ?

Your answer can be teachfull. Let me know.
Cheers.

My system is very similar to yours and I did hear an improvement by upgrading from Cinnamon to Vodka for the links between switch and UnitiServe and between switch and NDS so I would suggest you might find a similar uplift.

BUT you have already experienced what a SuperLumina IC can bring even with NACA5 speaker cables. I have both SL IC and SL speaker cables and together they have made a huge difference to my system's SQ. So I would ask you to consider trying the SL speaker cables before splashing out on Vodka ethernet cables. I realise the SL speaker cables are a far bigger investment but you might be able to borrow a pair for home demo depending on where you live and how close you are to a friendly dealer.

For me SL cables are a bit of a 'game changer' whereas ethernet cables are more 'icing on the cake'.

I totally agree.

SL speaker cable would have a home demo pretty soon. Yes, they are truly a game changer and yes, much more than ethernet cables. ;-)

Cheers

for how cheap the AQ Vodka in 0.75m and 1.5m length's I wouldn't bother with the rest

greekspec2 posted:

for how cheap the AQ Vodka in 0.75m and 1.5m length's I wouldn't bother with the rest

The AQ Vodka seems really reasonably priced compared like upper priced Chord Ethernet cables ! And the AQ Diamond is 4 times the money as the Vodka ! I look forward to trying it next week! I was impressed with AQ Cinnamon. 

so after all I pulled the trigger and ordered a Vertere Pulse-HB ethernet cable, I figured they made the Super Lumina cables for Naim so it should have the same sound signature....

http://vertereacoustics.com/pr...bles-rj45-connector/

greekspec2 posted:

so after all I pulled the trigger and ordered a Vertere Pulse-HB ethernet cable, I figured they made the Super Lumina cables for Naim so it should have the same sound signature....

http://vertereacoustics.com/pr...bles-rj45-connector/

 

 

 

Let us know what it sounds like greeekspec2.

wow have an hour on these and they are staying, I will battle out with the Vertere when they arrive

greekspec2 posted:

wow have an hour on these and they are staying, I will battle out with the Vertere when they arrive

The Diamonds are noticeably better? Reviews make it sound like they've are only slightly better than the more reasonably priced Vodka. Of course they are not using a Naim NDS when reviewing them ! 

greekspec2 posted:

wow have an hour on these and they are staying, I will battle out with the Vertere when they arrive

greekspec2, are you running all Diamond Ethernet cables, or just from Switch to Naim streamer? What are you running from NAS to your switch ? 

musicfan51 posted:

greekspec2 posted:

wow have an hour on these and they are staying, I will battle out with the Vertere when they arrive

greekspec2, are you running all Diamond Ethernet cables, or just from Switch to Naim streamer? What are you running from NAS to your switch ? 

I only need one cable from my ARRIS surfboard SBG6900-AC modem into my N272, Im gonna try a AQ NRG 1.5 power cord and AQ HD6 coax on my modem and should get the best Im gonna get