If you have a Naim NDS what Ethernet wire do you use?

greekspec2 posted:

musicfan51 posted:

greekspec2 posted:

wow have an hour on these and they are staying, I will battle out with the Vertere when they arrive

greekspec2, are you running all Diamond Ethernet cables, or just from Switch to Naim streamer? What are you running from NAS to your switch ? 

I only need one cable from my ARRIS surfboard SBG6900-AC modem into my N272, Im gonna try a AQ NRG 1.5 power cord and AQ HD6 coax on my modem and should get the best Im gonna get

Greekspec2, what do you hear in differences between the AQ Vodka and AQ Diamond? 

greekspec2 posted:

a little informative write up on AQ Diamond vs Vodka

http://www.audiostream.com/con...#iIGpLl8RZ7Fuh2XE.97

Shame, to me that review is rather circumspect  and a missed opportunity, not sure why they didn't put the fibre run between switch and the DAC Streamer.. that would provide the best isolation of common mode noise. Also when you use fibre to BaseT converters, the quality of these is paramount along with their powersupllies if noise is to be reduced ... I didn't see a mention of that. The Ethernet cable comparison was with a mass produced consumer grade Belkin cable... doesn't tell us very much.. what was Belkin construction type?

To me it was just a random collection of consumer brands put into a mething pot with little apparent technical or engineering reasoning ...

The main difference between Vodka & Diamond is blacker background & a bit better instruments separation. Is it worth 4x price? No, but it makes NDS to sing even better, a bit same than adding a second 555PS.

I have used a cheap CAT 5E and now use The Chord Company C-Stream which is a CAT 7.......No difference.

They all belkin + telegartner packaged nicely with more profit margin than cocaine! 

İ am not sure about the cables but  all commectors are 15€ telegartners 

so 1000£ ethernet cable is does not compute!

it is 3rd party production a very good one indeed but 1000£!!!

it is taking advantage of our hobby! 

Good cable is must but this one!

musicfan51 posted:

greekspec2 posted:

musicfan51 posted:

greekspec2 posted:

wow have an hour on these and they are staying, I will battle out with the Vertere when they arrive

greekspec2, are you running all Diamond Ethernet cables, or just from Switch to Naim streamer? What are you running from NAS to your switch ? 

I only need one cable from my ARRIS surfboard SBG6900-AC modem into my N272, Im gonna try a AQ NRG 1.5 power cord and AQ HD6 coax on my modem and should get the best Im gonna get

Greekspec2, what do you hear in differences between the AQ Vodka and AQ Diamond? 

for the short time I listened my ears hear the difference, and worth keeping at least on the system I have

Emre posted:

They all belkin + telegartner packaged nicely with more profit margin than cocaine! 

İ am not sure about the cables but  all commectors are 15€ telegartners 

so 1000£ ethernet cable is does not compute!

it is 3rd party production a very good one indeed but 1000£!!!

it is taking advantage of our hobby! 

Good cable is must but this one!

 

there's also Lutze that mfg's the same connectors and cables in Germany there used in factory automation control so yes everything is third party for the most part

placebo effect?

Gandalf_fi posted:

The main difference between Vodka & Diamond is blacker background & a bit better instruments separation. Is it worth 4x price? No, but it makes NDS to sing even better, a bit same than adding a second 555PS.

I wonder if AQ Diamond Ethernet could be a Christmas present to myself?  Will my wife go for that ?  Hmmmm!  Well tomorrow the AQ Vodka is suppose to arrive and I will be connecting that between Switch & NDS replacing the AQ Cinnamon ! 

greekspec2 posted:

musicfan51 posted:

greekspec2 posted:

musicfan51 posted:

greekspec2 posted:

wow have an hour on these and they are staying, I will battle out with the Vertere when they arrive

greekspec2, are you running all Diamond Ethernet cables, or just from Switch to Naim streamer? What are you running from NAS to your switch ? 

I only need one cable from my ARRIS surfboard SBG6900-AC modem into my N272, Im gonna try a AQ NRG 1.5 power cord and AQ HD6 coax on my modem and should get the best Im gonna get

Greekspec2, what do you hear in differences between the AQ Vodka and AQ Diamond? 

for the short time I listened my ears hear the difference, and worth keeping at least on the system I have

 

My wife and I hear a difference and so did my friend who came over to listen. Was not hard hear the improvement. 

Please blind test them with your partner, we can order some belden/telegartner cat7 for 35€ or spend 1000€! 

İ have big doubts that they are 95% same! 

İf vodka/daimond/1000£ one, sound different i may invest in them

thinking all that invested they will the last 1000£ That i will spend for 272 based system 

I will decide between AQ Diamond or this since they are the same cost for me.....

I have now installed a 12 volt iFi iPower on my GS108. The brief A/B test was inconclusive, but the system is sounding awesome and it stays. It's nice to know that the switch now has a quiet PS.

By the way, have any of you experimented with isolating your networks from the outside world with optical converters?

Keith

KRM posted:

By the way, have any of you experimented with isolating your networks from the outside world with optical converters?

Yes, my LAN is optical and I think it cleaned up the sound a bit. That wasn't my primary reason for choosing it, but it works well and was easy to set up. Of course, you need a converter between the optical and each device, I power mine with iFi iPowers. 

KRM posted:

By the way, have any of you experimented with isolating your networks from the outside world with optical converters?

 

Hi Keith, Optical converters can only 'isolate' network segments .. but really all that is doing is replacing your switch with an alternate BaseT converter in the fibre transceiver and removing any common mode noise most likely from non earthed network appliances such as switches. To isolate your network from say the internet you will need a firewall  or to isolate other subsets in your home network you will need an internal router.  The latter is certainly worth considering to my mind if your home network is busy with lots of broadcast frames.

greekspec2 posted:

I will decide between AQ Diamond or this since they are the same cost for me.....

How come? There is a 30% price difference, i can get away with 0,75cm diamond so the price difference will be more than double, looking forward to hear your impressions

Emre posted:

greekspec2 posted:

I will decide between AQ Diamond or this since they are the same cost for me.....

How come? There is a 30% price difference, i can get away with 0,75cm diamond so the price difference will be more than double, looking forward to hear your impressions

for me here in the USA I got my 1.5m AQ Diamond for $1303 with tax , I can get the 1.5m Vertere cable for £1,125 which is about $1367

Emre posted:

greekspec2 posted:

I will decide between AQ Diamond or this since they are the same cost for me.....

How come? There is a 30% price difference, i can get away with 0,75cm diamond so the price difference will be more than double, looking forward to hear your impressions

I look forward to your impression between these too big time Ethernet cables too! Both will very good! One will match your system better! 

greekspec2 posted:

Emre posted:

greekspec2 posted:

I will decide between AQ Diamond or this since they are the same cost for me.....

How come? There is a 30% price difference, i can get away with 0,75cm diamond so the price difference will be more than double, looking forward to hear your impressions

for me here in the USA I got my 1.5m AQ Diamond for $1303 with tax , I can get the 1.5m Vertere cable for £1,125 which is about $1367

Very close to equal!  

http://www.digitalaudioreview....hernet-cable-review/

Intersting review of Audioquest Ethernet cables 

I got the AQ Vodka Ethernet cable today and installed it from Switch to Naim NDS. Only cable I replaced. AQ Cinnamon still running from HDX and NAS to switch. It's been running now for about 3 hours! Very impressed with the sound difference! Better resolution and detail and wider soundstage is what I hear! My wife just heard the differences and just says one cable should not make that kinda difference! But it did. About as big a difference today as there was from Cat5 to AQ Cinnamon. 

musicfan51 posted:

I got the AQ Vodka Ethernet cable today and installed it from Switch to Naim NDS. Only cable I replaced. AQ Cinnamon still running from HDX and NAS to switch. It's been running now for about 3 hours! Very impressed with the sound difference! Better resolution and detail and wider soundstage is what I hear! My wife just heard the differences and just says one cable should not make that kinda difference! But it did. About as big a difference today as there was from Cat5 to AQ Cinnamon. 

that's exactly how I felt when I plugged mine in, it was almost as good as a Superlumina SL installed

greekspec2 posted:

musicfan51 posted:

I got the AQ Vodka Ethernet cable today and installed it from Switch to Naim NDS. Only cable I replaced. AQ Cinnamon still running from HDX and NAS to switch. It's been running now for about 3 hours! Very impressed with the sound difference! Better resolution and detail and wider soundstage is what I hear! My wife just heard the differences and just says one cable should not make that kinda difference! But it did. About as big a difference today as there was from Cat5 to AQ Cinnamon. 

that's exactly how I felt when I plugged mine in, it was almost as good as a Superlumina SL installed

I had thought I would struggle to hear the difference! I did not. It was very apparent. 

Yes Vodka makes "more"... My experience is that it goes higher and deeper but does not reach the amzing beautifull medium of the SL. Now with NDS? the game can be different... That's the problem with such upgrades, you are first attached to "what it makes" but for the music, it is not always better.
Waiting your precision ;-)
Cheers

Ikoun posted:

Yes Vodka makes "more"... My experience is that it goes higher and deeper but does not reach the amzing beautifull medium of the SL. Now with NDS? the game can be different... That's the problem with such upgrades, you are first attached to "what it makes" but for the music, it is not always better.
Waiting your precision ;-)
Cheers

I know what you are saying ! It is more splashy, but does it make the music sound & flow better! Got to live with it a week or more to answer that !  What I wanted to buy was the Chord Indigo aray but it is too pricey for me right now! It's $1300 in the USA. Can't pull the trigger at that price for a 1 meter Ethernet cable. The Vodka seems very nice after a half a day of playing it! I may put the Cinnamon back in after a week to see if it flows better than the Vodka! The AQ Vodka has more of everything than the Cinnamon though not quite as warm!