If you have a Naim NDS what Ethernet wire do you use?

I am in the USA,  Hungry Halibut, is this Lindy Adaptor readily available in the states ?  Never heard anyone talk about it here before. 

Hungryhalibut posted:

Mike, I hope that you and KRM see this -  I have had a very clear email back from Audioquest stating that the Vodka does NOT have a floating earth and that to ensure correct earthing the Lindy adaptor should be used at the NAS. That's that sorted then - my £215 wire will have the £3 Lindy on the end and I will forget all about it. 

Thanks HH,  nice to know that AQ agree the one ground standard.  

If anyone wants an "up" Lindy,  I have mine that I don't need since I've moved to MeiCord,  its yours for the price of the P&P

musicfan51 posted:

I am in the USA,  Hungry Halibut, is this Lindy Adaptor readily available in the states ?  Never heard anyone talk about it here before. 

Lindy USA don't seem to have them,  ebay have these,  CablesOnline RJ45 Cat5e/Cat6 Male/Female Right Angle Adapter

more or less the same - the thing is to avoid "crossover" or as its called in USA "rollover"   

although these days many devices will self correct automatically if a crossover cable is used and not required or vica versa...

Mike-B posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

Mike, I hope that you and KRM see this -  I have had a very clear email back from Audioquest stating that the Vodka does NOT have a floating earth and that to ensure correct earthing the Lindy adaptor should be used at the NAS. That's that sorted then - my £215 wire will have the £3 Lindy on the end and I will forget all about it. 

Thanks HH,  nice to know that AQ agree the one ground standard.  

If anyone wants an "up" Lindy,  I have mine that I don't need since I've moved to MeiCord,  its yours for the price of the P&P

Thanks HH,

I think I might text my man and find out why my setup doesn't give rise to earthing problems. This was looked into and we discussed it. One of his ex-colleagues now works for Audioquest, so this shouldn't be an area they are unfamiliar with.

Keith

Mike-B posted:

Hungryhalibut posted:

Mike, I hope that you and KRM see this -  I have had a very clear email back from Audioquest stating that the Vodka does NOT have a floating earth and that to ensure correct earthing the Lindy adaptor should be used at the NAS. That's that sorted then - my £215 wire will have the £3 Lindy on the end and I will forget all about it. 

Thanks HH,  nice to know that AQ agree the one ground standard.  

If anyone wants an "up" Lindy,  I have mine that I don't need since I've moved to MeiCord,  its yours for the price of the P&P

'Up' Lindies are soooo yesterday. Don't you know that 'down' Lindies are the new 'up'!!!

Actually maybe MeiCord is the new Lindy. I can't keep up!

KRM posted:

Thanks HH,  I think I might text my man and find out why my setup doesn't give rise to earthing problems. This was looked into and we discussed it. One of his ex-colleagues now works for Audioquest, so this shouldn't be an area they are unfamiliar with.    Kieth  

Keith,  it's not really an earthing "problem",  think of this as more like fine tuning.  It might be two or more grounded ethernet legs makes no difference (with SQ),  on the other hand it might.  

musicfan51 posted:

Mr Happy posted:

musicfan51 posted:

Do you think the Audioquest Ethernet cables have any burn in time or do they change at all as you play  music ?  Or maybe the switch changes in sound quality? Music sounds a tad softer tonight as we were listening to it! I was Just wondering . 

Yes, I found they got better over a few weeks. They sounded great from cold though, but over a few weeks the sound seemed to relax a little and flow better.

I let it play for aprox. 10 hours at low level and I just went and turned up the volume. Played a few songs and that funk it was in, ....seems to have disappeared! No longer does it sound too soft, at least after playing two songs!  I am using Kef Blade twos and they are pretty revealing to even small changes! Though I bet most of you have equally as revealing speakers and systems if not more so!  But that soft funk it was in for a bit seems to have disappeared! Yea! Weird huh. Back to sounding great again. 

You may actually be hearing variations in the power supply (voltage) and how it affects your system. 230V in real life is never 230V...

I think so. Power supply of new switch is most likely why sound varied! 

Mike-B posted:

KRM posted:

Thanks HH,  I think I might text my man and find out why my setup doesn't give rise to earthing problems. This was looked into and we discussed it. One of his ex-colleagues now works for Audioquest, so this shouldn't be an area they are unfamiliar with.    Kieth  

Keith,  it's not really an earthing "problem",  think of this as more like fine tuning.  It might be two or more grounded ethernet legs makes no difference (with SQ),  on the other hand it might.  

When I reduced my two grounding points to one with the Lindy I 'convinced' myself I heard an improvement in SQ. This may, or may not, be akin to the placebo effect. Anyway, if I think my system sounds better with one grounding point, then it does!

I use AQ ethernet cables and as HH discovered the manufacturer confirms one grounding point is recommended. So why would anyone choose to ignore this, unless £3 is going to break the bank.

Find a Lindy adaptor no easy think in USA. Any other company make an adopter like this!!

I wouldn't overthink this. The sound differences between connector or no will be subtle, at best. Listen for the high end, the affect on trumpets and pianos, and if overall your sense of fatigue is less. I use a coupler with two lengths of cinnamon between my Vortexbox and switch, but mostly the second short length so I can get the VB to the front of the closet its in. Not really sure if much of a sound difference with or without the UTP as the switch breaks the ground also. I also noticed a subtle difference taping over the power pin on the USB from microrendu to V1 in much the same as monkeying with these ethernet cables. Switch makes a difference too. But think of them all as small increments - by themselves they don;t amount to much, but add them up and it makes for a nice base. 

charlesphoto posted:

I wouldn't overthink this. The sound differences between connector or no will be subtle, at best. Listen for the high end, the affect on trumpets and pianos, and if overall your sense of fatigue is less. I use a coupler with two lengths of cinnamon between my Vortexbox and switch, but mostly the second short length so I can get the VB to the front of the closet its in. Not really sure if much of a sound difference with or without the UTP as the switch breaks the ground also. I also noticed a subtle difference taping over the power pin on the USB from microrendu to V1 in much the same as monkeying with these ethernet cables. Switch makes a difference too. But think of them all as small increments - by themselves they don;t amount to much, but add them up and it makes for a nice base. 

I don't seem to have an issue so probably don't really need a Lindy device. 

DUPREE posted:

It is nothing but an ethernet coupler with a keystone mount. should be a readily available commodity and cheap. However, it is always going to at the very best make the connection worse not better, as all it is as a coupler a a splice to add loss to the signal, so at best it is neutral, with is likely otherwise it is a detriment… ‘

> On Oct 4, 2016, at 1:09 AM, Naim Audio Forums <alerts@hoop.la> wrote:
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Yes, thank you for your input! 

AQ Vodka but would like to try Vertere Pulse-HB

greekspec2 posted:

AQ Vodka but would like to try Vertere Pulse-HB

That Ethernet cable is $2495 in the USA. That is pricey. Bet it sounds great though 

musicfan51 posted:

greekspec2 posted:

AQ Vodka but would like to try Vertere Pulse-HB

That Ethernet cable is $2495 in the USA. That is pricey. Bet it sounds great though 

 

I know not sure how much the distributor is will to discount on that cable

greekspec2 posted:

musicfan51 posted:

greekspec2 posted:

AQ Vodka but would like to try Vertere Pulse-HB

That Ethernet cable is $2495 in the USA. That is pricey. Bet it sounds great though 

 

I know not sure how much the distributor is will to discount on that cable

Yeah at that price you'd think there would be some wiggle room! 

greekspec2 posted:

musicfan51 posted:

greekspec2 posted:

AQ Vodka but would like to try Vertere Pulse-HB

That Ethernet cable is $2495 in the USA. That is pricey. Bet it sounds great though 

 

I know not sure how much the distributor is will to discount on that cable

How much better is the Vodka over the Cinnamon Ethernet cable do you think ? 

I could not tell you because I've only had the Vodka, the Diamond I would give a try if BestBuy carried or I will have them special order and if no improvements return them

Magnolia Hi-Fi at Best Buy will order that for you and let you return it if you can not hear difference! 

musicfan51 posted:

Magnolia Hi-Fi at Best Buy will order that for you and let you return it if you can not hear difference! 

Review from The Ear written and tested by Rene Van Es

My first change is from Supra Cat-7+ to Audioquest Cinnamon playing a piece from Eric Satie, a performance by Alexandre Tharaud of Gnossienne No. 1. I immediately notice an increase in air and a wider stage with the Cinnamon. The recording room has grown and the playback is a little more fluid, more natural I would say. This change is far easier to hear (since last time) now that I have AudioQuest Carbon rather than ordinary CAT-5 wire elsewhere in the network. This is an excellent result for a cable that is, to say the least, affordable for most of us. Moving up to AQ Vodka gives a big step up the ladder, even the first note shows that dynamics can be increased with a better Ethernet cable. The recording room does not alter in size, nor is the stereo stage larger than before. The cable does however add more drama to the music; enough to be worth the extra money? Yes, even with my Naim it’s easy enough to hear that it will give you more listening pleasure. The last step is from Vodka to Diamond. This preserves all the gains had stepping up from less expensive to very expensive, at the same time the Diamond is even more fluid on the ear and has a better defined and more stable stereo image. I have to admit that the steps from Supra to Cinnamon and to Vodka are greater than from Vodka to Diamond.

NAS-Switch Vodka, Switch-NDS Diamond. There is difference between Vodka & Diamond expecially in bass & black background area but Vodka upgrade makes more VFM. I could not return Diamond  

Gandalf_fi posted:

NAS-Switch Vodka, Switch-NDS Diamond. There is difference between Vodka & Diamond expecially in bass & black background area but Vodka upgrade makes more VFM. I could not return Diamond  

Bad part of being on here is you make me want to upgrade to AQ Diamond Ethernet. I know it would be killer! How do I position this to my wife! Well Christmas is around the corner. Might be Christmas present !