Introducing Uniti, our revolutionary new streaming platform.

DrMark posted:

"The information about the new Uniti range is telling - 25 engineers working on it for 3 years represents a substantial capital commitment that is not available for overhauling the Classic range.  Which, in turn, tells us that Uniti is more important to Naim than is the Classic range.  Food for thought there . . ."

That's one interpretation, and not necessarily a correct one. Perhaps they could see that the same time, manpower, and capital commitment put into the Classic range was unlikely to deliver any meaningful change, save for a price increase to cover the R&D for what would end up as a marginally different product, because the improvements were not to be had.

And being owned by a corporate investment company, they may be under pressure to sell more units in growing markets where they don't have as much penetration...whereas the Classic series is more of a niche-type market with little growth potential, especially given the changes in peoples' music listening habits over the past 20 years.

Plus, people who buy the Uniti range can get "upgraditis" too...

I do not agree to that. If you just look at product history itself, the uniti range is due for an update. I would say he next one to be worked on is the NDX/NDS followed by 172, 272 perhaps 2-3 years down the road. Reason being is simple, streaming requirements has evolved a lot in the last 5 years. 

Classic amplification on the other hand, do need an upgrade as much.

If we want to be as future proof as possible from a cost view point, you need to understand that the "streaming box" has to be separated from its amplification. This is the reason why I will consciously avoid a one box streamer/DAC/amp solution as much as possible.

Does any one know the price of this knew range?

Romi,

from what I have read,£1600 - £3800.

jon honeyball posted:

"These functionalities can be easily implemented at zero cost with open source software, see mRendu and Bryston BDP-Pi, for example"

There is no such thing as zero cost for a manufacturer. If naim is to do something, it has to test, validate, dealer support, warranty the platform.  That is an entirely different world to you shoving something on that you downloaded this morning. 

Right, I should have written "minimal" costs or "moderate" costs or perhaps just "low" costs! Thanks, nbpf

From andrew everard's blog: "Four New Uniti models have been announced: the Uniti Core ripper/server/player (£1650); the £1600 Uniti Atom compact network music system (below); the £2999 Uniti Star, complete with built-in CD ripping and music storage; and the range-topping Uniti Nova, at £3800."

Plus a bit for the hdmi input and fm/dab if you want those

nbpf posted:

jon honeyball posted:

"These functionalities can be easily implemented at zero cost with open source software, see mRendu and Bryston BDP-Pi, for example"

There is no such thing as zero cost for a manufacturer. If naim is to do something, it has to test, validate, dealer support, warranty the platform.  That is an entirely different world to you shoving something on that you downloaded this morning. 

Right, I should have written "minimal" costs or "moderate" costs or perhaps just "low" costs! Thanks, nbpf

Depends on your definition of "minimal" and "moderate", of course. Plucking a figure out of the air, does tens of thousands of pounds sound "moderate" to you?

jon honeyball posted:

fred40 posted:

It""s now possible I guess to power of the uniti instead of leaving ...the gear on standby. Why this change of believe? It was strongly adviced by Naim to leave it on 24/7.

There are non negotiable international rules about power consumption of devices in standby. It is an entirely different regulatory framework to the days of the 250. My CDS/52/135 6pack system trundles along at about 160W in standby (I posted the figures I measured nearly a decade ago on here), which would be quite unthinkable today.

Go look up EN50564:2011, for example, which supersedes IEC62301. 

ok...but despite regulations ( who is gonna check) is Naim still a strong beleiver to leave the new gear  on 24/7.

RTFM.

tonym posted:

RTFM.

Which is not available yet!. 

Moderated Post:  Fred, please stick to commenting on the products, not the other members.  Thanks

fred40 posted:

tonym posted:

RTFM.

Which is not available yet!

I think he's referring to the fact that although the power supplies and power amps may herald from a different time, the manuals have been revised more recently and Naim's recommendation on 247 power on is "still" clear.

I""m talking ofcourse about the new Uniti range. Not the old ones.

fred40 posted:

tonym posted:

RTFM.

Which is not available yet!. 

 You'll have to wait patiently until the manual becomes available but why should the advice be any different do you think? 

Moderated Post: ditto here Tony (see my comments on Fred40's post)

fred40 posted:

jon honeyball posted:

fred40 posted:

It""s now possible I guess to power of the uniti instead of leaving ...the gear on standby. Why this change of believe? It was strongly adviced by Naim to leave it on 24/7.

There are non negotiable international rules about power consumption of devices in standby. It is an entirely different regulatory framework to the days of the 250. My CDS/52/135 6pack system trundles along at about 160W in standby (I posted the figures I measured nearly a decade ago on here), which would be quite unthinkable today.

Go look up EN50564:2011, for example, which supersedes IEC62301. 

ok...but despite regulations ( who is gonna check) is Naim still a strong beleiver to leave the new gear  on 24/7.

who is gonna check? polite cough...

Sorry English is not my native tongue. ""why should the advice be any different do you think?"". Well theres clearly visible a power of button.I wonder why? Upto now Naim did not have those on the front. Clearly this is done to completly shut down the gear. Which contradicts the former statement from Naim to better leave the gear on 24/7. Has this statement or advice changed with the new unitis.

Fred, I think the world has changed and Naim are having to go with it.  In recent years there has been angst over leaving electrical kit on 24/7, due to both cost and environmental factors.  Yes, you could just switch off, but when you do that there's a performance penalty for the first half hour or so when you power up again and arguably some ups and downs for a day or two following. I'm just guessing here, but I imagine the standby is a clever way of satisfying all bases - keep the standby consumption within EU (and others) limits while trying to ensure that critical parts are kept at readiness for power up so minimal performance loss from power on.  

From my brief discussion about the new kit with Trevor, the way the standby system of the power supply has been designed is rather clever.  I'll leave it to someone from the factory to explain more on this though.

the power button could well be for standby mode with a single push, and fully off with a longer push -- this is quite common on products where the power button is not a physical power switch

Richard Dane posted:

Fred, I think the world has changed and Naim are having to go with it.  In recent years there has been angst over leaving electrical kit on 24/7, due to both cost and environmental factors.  Yes, you could just switch off, but when you do that there's a performance penalty for the first half hour or so when you power up again and arguably some ups and downs for a day or two following. I'm just guessing here, but I imagine the standby is a clever way of satisfying all bases - keep the standby consumption within EU (and others) limits while trying to ensure that critical parts are kept at readiness for power up so minimal performance loss from power on.

Thanks. Clear answer. Leave it on despite EU ruling.

fred40 posted:

Sorry English is not my native tongue. ""why should the advice be any different do you think?"". Well theres clearly visible a power of button.I wonder why? Upto now Naim did not have those on the front. Clearly this is done to completly shut down the gear. Which contradicts the former statement from Naim to better leave the gear on 24/7. Has this statement or advice changed with the new unitis.

All my 500 series boxes have a power switch on the front.

tonym posted:

fred40 posted:

Sorry English is not my native tongue. ""why should the advice be any different do you think?"". Well theres clearly visible a power of button.I wonder why? Upto now Naim did not have those on the front. Clearly this is done to completly shut down the gear. Which contradicts the former statement from Naim to better leave the gear on 24/7. Has this statement or advice changed with the new unitis.

All my 500 series boxes have a power switch on the front.

And my 300 and sc too... and i use it often, after 15 minutes or so the sound is as usual.

Richard Dane posted:

Fred, I think the world has changed and Naim are having to go with it.  In recent years there has been angst over leaving electrical kit on 24/7, due to both cost and environmental factors.  Yes, you could just switch off, but when you do that there's a performance penalty for the first half hour or so when you power up again and arguably some ups and downs for a day or two following. I'm just guessing here, but I imagine the standby is a clever way of satisfying all bases - keep the standby consumption within EU (and others) limits while trying to ensure that critical parts are kept at readiness for power up so minimal performance loss from power on.  

From my brief discussion about the new kit with Trevor, the way the standby system of the power supply has been designed is rather clever.  I'll leave it to someone from the factory to explain more on this though.

I'm one of those who is uncomfortable on leaving 30W running continuously through my Uniti2. This is equivalent to over 5% of my annual electricity use - and I'm a relatively high consumer. For the average non-electrically heated household in the UK, which uses 3000 - 3500 kWh/annum, this is 7.5 - 9% of their total energy use.

It really isn't a socially acceptable thing to do any more, and I may change my Uniti2 to a newer model Nova once I know a bit more about its standby load simply for this reason alone. My other unnecessary energy guzzlers are old fridges and freezers that I need to get around to consolidating, and networking equipment, namely 3 powerlines, 2 routers and 2 switches which consume another 50 - 60W continuously between them. Again, when versions come out which can consume negligible power when not being used then I will also change these.

All aiming towards the PV + Battery storage system I intend to install to minimise my demand and reliance on the grid in the future.

Pcd posted:

Fred40 posted

Thanks. Clear answer. Leave it on despite EU ruling.

Your choice to switch on or off, my various Naim equipment has been glowing
in the dark since 1982 but it does sound wonderful.

My gear is also on 24/7. Hence my question.