FIFA red poppy ban?

Posted by: sheffieldgraham on 03 November 2016

What's your take on the issue.

FIFA aren't the best organisation to make moral/political judgements are they?

Posted on: 06 November 2016 by Bruce Woodhouse

The poppy is not a symbol of remembrance. It is a symbol that you have donated money to the British Legion Poppy Appeal, a charity that supports past and present British Military veterans and families. it is not a universal symbol of peace. It is not even an international charity.

If they want to make a universal gesture of remembrance/peace then wear a white dove emblem on the shirts. The Poppy is a political symbol in my view, or at least one that is charged with specific meanings that are not universal.

I'm with FIFA on this one, despite their dreadful corporate problems. I see no place for an act of specific national remembrance at a sporting event.

Personally I don't wear a poppy because it is not a charity I choose to support. I have other charities I support but don't feel the need to wear an emblem to prove it. I do not any less respect or honour those killed or injured in conflicts, including several from my own family.

Bruce

Posted on: 07 November 2016 by ianrobertm

It seems these days, you are 'expected' to wear a Poppy. To choose not to do so, is somehow wrong or disloyal. Sorry, I do not agree. Several relatives of mine were involved in WW1 - which IMO is what the Poppy should be all about. One was on the right ship at the Battle of Jutland and returned, to live to a ripe old age and to recount tales of his time on 'Dreadnoughts', to a small boy. The other was killed, in the trenches in France and never returned. 

I do not wish to be 'told' how I should remember them. The Poppy & the wearing of it - and the whole 11th Day of the 11th Month thing has been hijacked and politicised, to serve the needs of whoever it is - which is likely some highly paid execs of some Charities and their Political chums. 

So, no - FIFA are correct on this, IMHO.

Posted on: 07 November 2016 by BigH47

Poppy day was extended to remember ALL who had fallen for their country. If it hadn't the remembrance of WW1 fallen would have faded away as the more immediate relatives passed away.

Not sure you are being told to do anything. 

Posted on: 07 November 2016 by fatcat
BigH47 posted:

Poppy day was extended to remember ALL who had fallen for their country. If it hadn't the remembrance of WW1 fallen would have faded away as the more immediate relatives passed away.

Not sure you are being told to do anything. 

The England and Scotland players are, they're being told to wear a shirt bearing a poppy.

 

Posted on: 07 November 2016 by Eloise
BigH47 posted:

Poppy day was extended to remember ALL who had fallen for their country. If it hadn't the remembrance of WW1 fallen would have faded away as the more immediate relatives passed away.

Not sure you are being told to do anything. 

Try being a "public" figure and not wearing a red poppy...

The poppy (as commented above) is about "remembering" all those from the British armed forces who died in conflicts.  So yes it is political.  It remembers those fallen in Northern Ireland.  It remembers those fallen in the Falklands.  It remembers those fallen in Afghanistan and Iraq.

So lets ask the Irish Republicans if they think its political.  Lets ask the Argentinians.

Its right we remember those fallen in wars; in a hope that wars can be avoided in the future.  Unfortunately that sentiment is not politically correct and woe betied anyone who actually suggests that war is bad.  Its not disrespect to those who died in WWI and WWII to not want to wear a poppy.

Posted on: 07 November 2016 by Bruce Woodhouse

I don't get this poppy=remembrance thing. Its the symbol of a UK charity that supports UK serviceman and families.

Remembrance of the fallen (from all sides and all conflicts) and wearing a poppy are very different in my view

Bruce