Good Morning America
Posted by: Bruce Woodhouse on 08 November 2016
...and goodnight?
Hate to be smug but I seem to recall mentioning after the Brexit vote that US contributors should be careful as one day in November they may wake up to a bad feeling too.
So many thoughts. How wonderful that anyone can become President. Liars, racists, serial philanderers, bullies, people with no experience of politics or government. You just need a shed load of money, a high media profile and an electorate that is so p~~~d off with the political class they they will respond to a simple message and vote for you in their droves. it helps if your opponent is so unappealing of course, albeit somewhat more qualified.
With Republican control of both Houses is he now going to actually do some of the things he said he would do? Can he be stopped?
Or maybe the election was rigged after all, Donald certainly felt this was the case. I wonder if he will change his mind now?
Bruce
I think Michael Moore called it right noting that our vote was at least for Britain to leave Europe, whereas a vote for Trump was a vote for America to leave America...
Unbelievable.
G
I heard an interview in which a Clinton supporter said 'Oh God, it is like we have turned the clock back 50 years' and the Trump supporter effectively replied 'Yes, brilliant isn't it'
Bruce
The same country that voted Dubya in.
Twice.
So im not surprised really.
I'm not that surprised. Look at elections around the world. Millions in the UK support UKIP in national/euro elections. Anti-politics is the new politics. (This is my phrase of the day, see also 'Brexit means god-knows' et al)
Bruce
Another rebalancing from the liberal metropolitans?... like him or loath him he seems to connect with a lot of working and middle class Americans who felt they had no voice... to me this resonates with what happened in the UK in the summer... let's see if it's all puff and bluster .. I suspect he is smart enough to appoint very capable advisors to support him, he will no doubt need and rely on them.
Responsibility has a habit of moderating extremism.
Lets hope it will be the case here. I agree with Simon; Trump is smart enough to gather a good team together.
Reagan, albeit with some previous political experience, was a better president than many expected. Lets hope Trump will be also.
I seem to recall that Reagan's brain was missing - could it happen to Trump? Time for Spitting Image!
Well, now Americans will know how it feels to have a grotesque, unpresentable, racist billionaire representing them around the planet...
Ha ha ha ha ha har.
Trump was given a million dollars by his father to go make his fortune. He picked a few good horses on the way but he has also picked plenty of bad ones. Look at his failed casino interests and the current casinos with the 1cent slot machines that are going down the toilet at a rate of knots. Then there is Sir Richard Branson who said don't cross him because he has a liking for revenge. Trump will be going after the press that's for sure. The US press are useless anyway mostly but it's not going to get better when you get sued for criticising the powers that be. It's called crushing dissent.
Fact is that Trump is a facade. He is an animal of reaction. His whole election campaign was simply to state what he thought people wanted to hear. He only listens if it is going to give him what he wants....power. To me that makes him a reflection of our dark side. There is no intellectual thought, no leadership.
I expect years of protests, social unrest and lots of buck passing on Donald's part. I think the man is a low life. He supports torture for heavens sake. The only positive is that the American people might, just maybe, make a better choice next time.
'kin hell, has The flash done another reset. I feel this year I've disappeared down the rabbit hole.
As Brexit seems to be working so well for us , I hope the USA new life will be as Wonderful. # sarcasm
Can Drumf complete his missions? Will we see if there are any real politicians in the Republican party that will actually moderate this reality show clown?
I must admit to feeling a little sick this morning, even if half of the lies are true what a dreadful world we could see unfolding in the next hopefully only 4 years.
In the mean time Goodbye America.
Right before these elections I heard an interesting point on the radio:they were talking about "shy voters":voters that could vote for Trump but they don't say it to the interviewer that is asking what they are going to do on these elections.Also,a lot of "white"workers, since Regan days, were tired of Democrat politic of previously takin care of Latins and Afroamericans and left them alone instead.Democrat Party has never been able to get these voters back home.
I hope his advisors team will do a good job,but this an epochal result so I don't know what's next:I would say that he could do good things despite what many people think,but no dubt he's an inexperienced political man so it's hard for me to believe it.
What depressing news to wake up to.
Maybe this is the latest and biggest in the 'anti-estanblishment' votes by people fed up with the current system and political elite. I think we saw it in Greece with the people there voting anti-austerity (though that made no practical difference), then Brexit. Now this. I think it will give many mainstream politicians pause for thought.
This reminds me of when Diana Ross missed that penalty in the World Cup opening ceremony '94. The epic fail of Clinton will be swept under the carpet.
This is what "The times they are a changin'" means. It seems people only like change or value protest if it is 'their' protest. Well done America. The 'party' at the venue with the biggest glass ceiling in Manhattan was a wonderfully apt act of hubris.
The saddest thing about this is that he has proved himself to be a truly horrible individual and yet this didn't put voters off. Now it is a dic(k)tatorship!
Possibly the only person I can think of with fewer redeeming features than his good buddy, Nigel Farage.
Like Brexit, Trump, offers those who have been ignored and taken for granted by the politicians for too long an alternative to the status quo.
Now we have to wait and find out who the real Trump is... the one who campaigned or the one who had a measured positive victory speech.
Trump, love him or hate him, has actually made politics interesting again.....
wenger2015 posted:Trump, love him or hate him, has actually made politics interesting again.....
Is "Interesting" the word that you would apply to the very real possibility of increased Russian aggression in Syria, or the possibility of more direct Russian involvement in the Ukraine conflict?
I very sincerely hope that I am wrong, but these are just two possibilities given the apparent mutual admiration of the other stated by both Trump and Putin. Certainly, with the huge amount of uncertainty in respect of the International direction that Trump will take, Putin may feel that now is his time to make his move.
Hmack posted:wenger2015 posted:Trump, love him or hate him, has actually made politics interesting again.....
Is "Interesting" the word that you would apply to the very real possibility of increased Russian aggression in Syria, or the possibility of more direct Russian involvement in the Ukraine conflict?
I very sincerely hope that I am wrong, but these are just two possibilities given the apparent mutual admiration of the other stated by both Trump and Putin. Certainly, with the huge amount of uncertainty in respect of the International direction that Trump will take, Putin may feel that now is his time to make his move.
Don't underestimate Mr Trump, he maybe a 'lot of things'. as has been said , but he's certainly not 'Stupid' .......
wenger2015 posted:Hmack posted:wenger2015 posted:Trump, love him or hate him, has actually made politics interesting again.....
Is "Interesting" the word that you would apply to the very real possibility of increased Russian aggression in Syria, or the possibility of more direct Russian involvement in the Ukraine conflict?
I very sincerely hope that I am wrong, but these are just two possibilities given the apparent mutual admiration of the other stated by both Trump and Putin. Certainly, with the huge amount of uncertainty in respect of the International direction that Trump will take, Putin may feel that now is his time to make his move.
Don't underestimate Mr Trump, he maybe a 'lot of things'. as has been said , but he's certainly not 'Stupid' .......
wenger,
I certainly wouldn't call him 'Stupid'. However, I would call him a pathological liar, an egomaniac and just a horrible human being (amongst many other things).
Which of the following will now happen:
- He will send Hilary Clinton to jail?
- he will immediately repeal 'ObamaCare'?
- he will build the wall between the US and Mexico and persuade Mexico to pay for it?
- he will ban Muslims from entering the USA?
- he will repatriate all 'illegal' immigrants?
- he will sanction 'torture; by the American Military and Secret Services?
- he will abolish all International Trading deals?
- he will cancel 'climate change' agreements?
These are just some of his pledges. How many of them are real, and how many (like the lies peddled by UKIP in the UK Brexit campaign) are just empty promises and downright lies?
This is an interesting comment just been made on BBC news... (paraphrased by me) the test of the President is what happens when he is woken up at 3 o'clock in the morning because of a crisis around the world and is asked to "do something". In that situation, what will Trump do? ... thats when the President has (almost) absolute power.
What I do find worrying is how pleased the US's "enemies" (Russia and China) are about Trump's election. Maybe its because they feel he will work towards a lasting understanding a peace of course...
Wenger, I really beg to differ - as I said, he has already proved himself.
Geoff C posted:Wenger, I really beg to differ - as I said, he has already proved himself.
Geoff... I beg to differ ... that is a news piece and the headline is misleading - what people say (in a strategic way to gain votes) and what they believe and how they ultimately act may be, and often are, very different things.. So yes, he has said all those things ... but what he said is not irrelevant. How he acts is what is important now!
Eloise posted:This is an interesting comment just been made on BBC news... (paraphrased by me) the test of the President is what happens when he is woken up at 3 o'clock in the morning because of a crisis around the world and is asked to "do something". In that situation, what will Trump do? ... thats when the President has (almost) absolute power.
An Interesting and frightening thought.
However, I suspect that this is the one type of situation in which Trump would not be decisive. I suspect he would bottle it, and simply accede to the advice offered to him by his closest advisors. I guess it will all depend upon just how hawkish they are.
If they are anything like Donald (surely there isn't a common thread here) Rumsfeld, then the World is in mortal peril.
Correct me if I am wrong, but he had 55..60% of the vote, approximately, hence over half of all Americans that voted, voted for him....they have what they wanted.....