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charlesphoto posted:

and sets such a truly morally bankrupt persona to the world 

As I understand he still hasn't released any tax returns; he might be financially bankrupt too!

Sad, shocked! My daughter said she would be wearing black for the rest of the week!!!

Eloise posted:

charlesphoto posted:

and sets such a truly morally bankrupt persona to the world 

As I understand he still hasn't released any tax returns; he might be financially bankrupt too!

So might his country if he gets on with his stated  "plans".

Peter Dinh posted:

Sad, shocked! My daughter said she would be wearing black for the rest of the week!!!

She must be in her 30s or older ... if she was a teenager she'd already be wearing black surely :-)

(I'm sure that was funnier in my head - written I'm not sure if it sounds a little personal if so sorry)

Eloise posted:

Peter Dinh posted:

Sad, shocked! My daughter said she would be wearing black for the rest of the week!!!

She must be in her 30s or older ... if she was a teenager she'd already be wearing black surely :-)

(I'm sure that was funnier in my head - written I'm not sure if it sounds a little personal if so sorry)

Actually , that was very funny...

BigH47 posted:

Eloise posted:

charlesphoto posted:

and sets such a truly morally bankrupt persona to the world 

As I understand he still hasn't released any tax returns; he might be financially bankrupt too!

So might his country if he gets on with his stated  "plans".

Well The Global Elites are looking Great, let's see how the stock market adjust!

No Gridlock, A Sweep.

Supreme court,   5-4

 Executive Branch, The Donald

Legislative Branch, The House and The Senate

This may be historic!

No excuses Now!

Just the Same Old Deep State Politics.

Allante93!

Eloise posted:

Allante93 posted:

Poor Hillary, first Obama, and now the Donald!

America was not ready for an woman President!

The USA may be ready for a woman president; but they weren't prepared to vote for Hillary (well those in the relevant places weren't prepared to vote for Hillary).  

I was reading the opinion earlier that basically Hillary wasn't the right person to take on Trump ... she was very much a career politician and part of the establishment and came with a lot of baggage (real and perceived).  The core of the Democrats were happy for her to be their candidate as it moves everyone else up the list.  Someone without baggage and who would have been seen as not part of the establishment would have been in a much better place to challenge Trump.

But as I heard a woman say who was interviewed as to why she had voted for trump, 'first off, being president is no job for a woman' in the slightly stunned pause that followed she repeated. 'a woman cannot do a job like being a president'.............................she then further justified her voting decision on the fact that she was a pro-lifer and could not, under any circumstance, never mind she was a woman vote for Hilary on that basis. One of my American family voted trump and excused all his foibles because 'at least he was honest'.  And she is well educated and certainly middle class. But she saw no need for Obama Care etc, or frankly much sympathy for anyone 'beneath' her. Frighteningly she is not atypical of many Floridians I have met. Like Brexit, trump gave them the place/voice to be odious.  The dark ages are with us for a few years yet!

Everyone seems a tad.. anti Trump, can anyone provide a legitimate reason why Clinton,  would have been so much better.

Surely you can't prefer Clinton because she is not quite as bad as Trump??

BigH47 posted:

Eloise posted:

charlesphoto posted:

and sets such a truly morally bankrupt persona to the world 

As I understand he still hasn't released any tax returns; he might be financially bankrupt too!

So might his country if he gets on with his stated  "plans".

I wonder when he'll start draining the swamp (is that Trump-speak for Fort Knox?)

Eloise posted:

Peter Dinh posted:

Sad, shocked! My daughter said she would be wearing black for the rest of the week!!!

She must be in her 30s or older ... if she was a teenager she'd already be wearing black surely :-)

(I'm sure that was funnier in my head - written I'm not sure if it sounds a little personal if so sorry)

That cheers me up a bit, thanks Eloise.

Trump's policy may be a concern to me, but Trump himself is a big problem! How could a brass, unfiltered tycoon represents the US? It is a disgrace in the extreme sense.

Mike-B posted:

wenger2015 posted:

Trump, love him or hate him, has actually made politics interesting again.....

It might be interesting to see how he gets coached on his "speech" hand gestures,  most of which are just plain meaningless as well as annoying,  but one in particular he needs to be told about before goes meeting people around the world,  in some countries it's used to call someone a homosexual,  a*hole, *anker and FU.

 

How would Clinton's Christ have gone down?

Cheers,

OW

Some observations, fwiw...

I note that many people claimed to have a sneaking suspicion he'd pull it off. This did not include the pollsters again.  It really is about time they gave up.

Much like 'the markets will collapse' doomsayers.

Likewise, maybe the news media should return to providing news, rather than predictions. How often do you watch, read or listen to news that starts "XXX will today...." or "XXX is expected to..." Further, perhaps they may peddle less opinion and comment as 'news'.

Anyhoo, Donald is clearly not a very nice person. However I'm not convinced that very much will change in the US mainstream, at least in the grand scheme of the last 70 years. I also suspect that some of the policies he does carry out may be good for the U.K. economy post Brexit. Especially as we will no longer be considered the mad one in the room...

My feeling is that the big loser will be the EU. There is a wave of various votes coming up and I suspect the voters will look at Brexit, will look at Trumpit and figure "You know what , we'd kinda like some changes too, we're not scared anymore, we're going to vote you down". I can see more votes for isolationist and right wing politics (or even ultra left wing in parts of Europe) which could genuinely lead to the dismantling of the EU in its current form. Thereby the Euro too. So, this might, just might lead to bigger changes this side of the Atlantic than in the U.S. And some of them could be genuinely scary.

wenger2015 posted:

Everyone seems a tad.. anti Trump, can anyone provide a legitimate reason why Clinton,  would have been so much better.

Surely you can't prefer Clinton because she is not quite as bad as Trump??

Why not?

wenger2015 posted:

Everyone seems a tad.. anti Trump, can anyone provide a legitimate reason why Clinton,  would have been so much better.

Surely you can't prefer Clinton because she is not quite as bad as Trump??

A 'Tad' anti Trump? That is some understatement!

I really cannot believe that you appear to have some empathy with Donald Trump, and yes I do fully believe that Clinton would have been much, much better. 

Have you actually watched any of Trump's campaign footage? Did you watch the footage of him making fun of someone just because he was disabled? That is just typical of the guy - an egomaniac, a born bully and someone who truly has no shame.

Even if you ignore his policies, he is a despicable person who appears to become a role model for a swathe of misguided individuals in the States.

Would you like to serve up Donald Trump as a role model for your sons or daughters?

charlesphoto posted:

I'm truly ashamed and horrified at my own country. I went into a bit of shock last night as the returns came in. 

It's not so  much his policies (those would have been bad from any of the GOP candidates) but that he is so truly unqualified for the job and sets such a truly morally bankrupt persona to the world and our children. Really freaking 'effed....

No qualms with what you say there about Trump - but thinking that she would be better (different, yes, but not better) is just delusional.

We don't know what he will do which is a real problem; & we knew EXACTLY what she was going to do, which was also a real problem.

Our shame is long overdue - Donald is the symptom, not the problem. The political establishment is completely run amok, such that people are desperate because the nation is being driven right off a cliff. We are in so much trouble regardless of who sits in the Oval Office- this corrupt system gets more corrupt all the time, and the whole situation is unsustainable.

Either of these losers should have been easily beatable...were they not running one against the other. But the democrats wanted to be sure they served the status quo, and the republicans are so inept they couldn't offer up anything to stop this numbskull.

Clinton didn't lose because America is not ready for a female president, she lost because she is an eminently dislikable, lying, insincere, war-mongering, corrupt, murderous, self-serving, whore to the top 1% establishment and the neocons. She epitomizes everything that is wrong inside the Beltway. I don't think she has any conscience at all. Pick the most lame democrat candidate who lost from the past and he could have easily beat Trump by just not being as big an @sshole as Hillary is, and being less of one than he is.

The only purpose of the supposed 2-party system is to offer up one candidate each such that the top 1% doesn't care who wins.

As Ralph Nader allegedly said when asked some time ago about the prospects of a third party; "I'd be happy with a second."

wenger2015 posted:

Everyone seems a tad.. anti Trump, can anyone provide a legitimate reason why Clinton,  would have been so much better.

Surely you can't prefer Clinton because she is not quite as bad as Trump??

I am not anti Trump.. sure he has said stupid/offensive things... but isn't it refreshing to see someone challenge the politically correct perhaps increasingly self serving establishment... if that establishment is not working for the majority it needs to change. Trump will rebalance it if he lives up to his retoric. I hope he proves to be a worthy president and not all puff and bluster... and yes I am sure he is going to say many more offensive things.. but it is his actions that will count... sticks and stones etc.....

I for one will be watching closely the forthcoming EU state elections in Italy, Germany, Netherlands and France... I don't think we have seen the last of the corrective backlash against the liberal metropolitans of the establishment... to me this is healthy democracy working....and thank goodness it does...

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

wenger2015 posted:

Everyone seems a tad.. anti Trump, can anyone provide a legitimate reason why Clinton,  would have been so much better.

Surely you can't prefer Clinton because she is not quite as bad as Trump??

I am not anti Trump.. sure he has said stupid/offensive things... but isn't it refreshing to see someone challenge the politically correct establishment... if that establishment is not working for the majority it needs to change. Trump will rebalance it if he lives up to his retoric. I hope he proves to be a worthy president and not all puff and bluster... and yes I am sure he is going to say many more offensive things.. but it is his actions that will count... sticks and stones etc.....

I for one will be watching closely the forthcoming EU state elections in Italy, Germany, Netherlands and France... I don't think we have seen the last of the corrective backlash against the liberal metropolitans of the establishment... to me this is healthy democracy working....and thank goodness it does...

Couldn't agree more...yes healthy democracy in action...  +1 to that

Disparity between the Rich and poor is too great!

Public education stinks 

No gain in wages

Immigrate terrorist alarm

 They're taking our jobs

 Medical cost to high

Sounds Familiar, doesn't it:

The people have Spoken, not the Party, his own Party can't stand that Buffoon!

He had a 1% chance of winning!

The people see a reflection of themselves, when the Donald takes the podium.

Democracy at it's best!

Ask Dr Mark, Deep State Politics, don't look for any drastic changes, the market will Adjust.

Once Again, The Media has pulled one over the masses. This Divide is bad, polarization at it's worst!

Another 4 years of the same sh***t, that's 12 years, that's what fooled the uneducated, they didn't realize they had the House, they didn't realize they had the Senate.

They don't realize, there's know checks and balances in Play!

The Supreme Court: 5-4

The Executive Branch: The Donald

 The Legislative Branch: House & Senate

The Republican Party has a chance to rebuild its platform, Let see what happens, if they can control that Buffoon and his Kitchen Cabinet!

The Donald might get his wish, and be transformed into a Global Elite!

But he will still be a Buffoon!

Just my Perspective!

Allante93!

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

wenger2015 posted:

Everyone seems a tad.. anti Trump, can anyone provide a legitimate reason why Clinton,  would have been so much better.

Surely you can't prefer Clinton because she is not quite as bad as Trump??

I am not anti Trump.. sure he has said stupid/offensive things... but isn't it refreshing to see someone challenge the politically correct perhaps increasingly self serving establishment... if that establishment is not working for the majority it needs to change. Trump will rebalance it if he lives up to his retoric. I hope he proves to be a worthy president and not all puff and bluster... and yes I am sure he is going to say many more offensive things.. but it is his actions that will count... sticks and stones etc.....

I for one will be watching closely the forthcoming EU state elections in Italy, Germany, Netherlands and France... I don't think we have seen the last of the corrective backlash against the liberal metropolitans of the establishment... to me this is healthy democracy working....and thank goodness it does...

Simon,

I am almost lost for words.

How can you call Trump's victory in the States - a 'Healthy Democracy working'? Rather, it was an example of democracy at its worst, encouraging a baying support to call for an opponent to be jailed, and stating that unless he were to win, then it was obvious that the democratic system was rigged against him. How can you possibly describe this as 'healthy' in any way whatsoever? 

How can you equate the term 'healthy democracy in action' with the fact that (just to take one specific example), Trump campaigned very largely on his continued assertion that Hilary was "crooked, crooked Hilary", and that if he was in power, he would throw her into jail. His campaign encouraged supporters to chant "Jail Hilary Clinton" or words to that effect.

Now, having won the election, he appears on stage to ask everyone to thank Hilary Clinton for the fantastic service that she has given to the American people. Would it be unsympathetic to call him 'Two faced'?

How can you possibly justify the initial rhetoric, and this astonishing about turn?

I guess the only remotely good thing about this result is that it has prevented an almost inevitable swathe of violence and hate crimes in the event that Trump had lost the election.

Alan Sugar for PM anyone?

Trump is a phoney and a conman. Only one thing matters in Trump World and that's Trump. He can't even build a wall, nevermind get Mexico to pay for it. The concept is ludicrous. He exploited the bigotries of the American underclasses and right leaning political classes. He exploited the anger of the unemployed steel worker. Btw cheap Chinese steel was used to build Trump Towers. He exploited the dissatisfaction of the working classes making ends meet. He's likeable, good for a beer. He got what he paid for using his Father's gift, President of the United States of America.

I wonder if Trump and Boris Johnson are related?

Trump - The best President money could buy?

steve

Perhaps healthy, in the sense that the People have spoken, for better or worse!

Now they may regret it, but at least they got their guy, I know it says a lot about America.

But Remember, America is an extension of the British Empire!

Google Birth of a Nation, or better yet, go see it!

Allante93!

Nobel Prize-winning economist (and all around s**t for brains) Paul Krugman commented that tumultuous financial markets would “never” recover. Wow. Never.

But the word “never” apparently means 49 minutes to a Nobel laureate, because that’s how long it took for the S&P 500 to turn positive for the day once the market opened.

Investors ostensibly realized that, despite the Trump victory, Disney will keep making superhero movies, Coke will keep distributing poisonous flavored water, and Mark Zuckerberg will keep selling your personal data to advertisers.

Krugman followed up that genius prediction with an even bigger one, writing that “we are probably looking at a global recession, with no end in sight.”

(I have heard that he suffers from myopia…)

He's probably right about that second one, but it has NOTHING to do with Trump.

Hmack, sorry I am equally lost for words... I am not associating healthy democracy on the grounds of whether I personally agree or not in the opinions, approaches and rhetoric of the two participants.. I kind of expect that colourful activity in elections and hustings. They always seems to bring out the passions and hot head sentiments... it almost seems a necessary part of the process so as to grab the electorate' s attention and galvanise interest... For  me it's healthy that people find a voice that they feel represents their feelings, moods or aspirations, even in part... and when it goes against the grain of the established momentum or perceived wisdom of many of those in power then I feel it's healthy.. irrespective of whether I personally agree with it..

Hmack posted:

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

wenger2015 posted:

Everyone seems a tad.. anti Trump, can anyone provide a legitimate reason why Clinton,  would have been so much better.

Surely you can't prefer Clinton because she is not quite as bad as Trump??

I am not anti Trump.. sure he has said stupid/offensive things... but isn't it refreshing to see someone challenge the politically correct perhaps increasingly self serving establishment... if that establishment is not working for the majority it needs to change. Trump will rebalance it if he lives up to his retoric. I hope he proves to be a worthy president and not all puff and bluster... and yes I am sure he is going to say many more offensive things.. but it is his actions that will count... sticks and stones etc.....

I for one will be watching closely the forthcoming EU state elections in Italy, Germany, Netherlands and France... I don't think we have seen the last of the corrective backlash against the liberal metropolitans of the establishment... to me this is healthy democracy working....and thank goodness it does...

Simon,

I am almost lost for words.

How can you call Trump's victory in the States - a 'Healthy Democracy working'? Rather, it was an example of democracy at its worst, encouraging a baying support to call for an opponent to be jailed, and stating that unless he were to win, then it was obvious that the democratic system was rigged against him. How can you possibly describe this as 'healthy' in any way whatsoever? 

How can you equate the term 'healthy democracy in action' with the fact that (just to take one specific example), Trump campaigned very largely on his continued assertion that Hilary was "crooked, crooked Hilary", and that if he was in power, he would throw her into jail. His campaign encouraged supporters to chant "Jail Hilary Clinton" or words to that effect.

Now, having won the election, he appears on stage to ask everyone to thank Hilary Clinton for the fantastic service that she has given to the American people. Would it be unsympathetic to call him 'Two faced'?

How can you possibly justify the initial rhetoric, and this astonishing about turn?

I guess the only remotely good thing about this result is that it has prevented an almost inevitable swathe of violence and hate crimes in the event that Trump had lost the election.

Are you able to name one world leader,  who has ever won an election by telling the truth? ...... 

But you are quite happy for the much more diplomatic and but equally dishonest  Clinton to be president... 

Your not making any sense....