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wenger2015 posted:

Its only been 4 days and it looks like Mr Trump,  has kept his diplomatic head on........Mrs C will be spared jail....in fact she's a lovely person, he may even seek advice from good old Bill, hope he's not asking about relationships......... Obama Care will not be totally abolished .....all protesters have been praised for their passion.... whatever next...???....

Indeed. These early revisions from Trump are a very welcome step towards common sense. However such a sudden and clear abandonment of much of the assertions he made during the election campaign may be viewed by those who were persuaded to vote for him as something of a betrayal.  Now, how we ever seen anything like that in the UK recently, I wonder? Hmmm.  

It may be, but I suspect not. The feelings of betrayal I think will be if he doesn't deliver on his key in office commitments by   the end of his term.. the world isn't black and white.. hustings and passions are rarely taken as outright policies, more often they are a metaphor for a way of thinking as the real world is complicated.. that's what I suspect most align to or not as the case may be. I think people are more intelligent than some like to think they are, especially when those people are rallying to a cause that they don't subscribe to... I certainly didn't  take project fear literally in the UK, and the evidence suggests perhaps nor did many, and true enough it appears to have been largely not the case.. but was really a metaphor of better the devil you know and some FUD thrown in... I guess for many that just was not good enough anymore.

What I do find so suprising is how it appears the Libereal Metropolitans in the US are challenging democracy... that just seems to be so ironic.. I guess the same happened here as well after the June reffereundem.. perhaps the liberals have had their way for too long, and unlike others find it hard to accept political defeat.

Hmm, I I'll wonder if he'll have a good future in British Steel.. someone needs to

I was a little amused by BBC news yesterday saying the first British Politician to meet with Trump was Barrage.  

Obviously changed his job then.

It's a tad ironic that ' love him or hate him' temporary ...permanent... temporary... ukip leader Mr farage, could possibly become the UK's Trump Card !!!, 

He has the look of a deer in the headlights now...

G

I am not sure a deer is the  analogy you are after here.. a few years back I was driving back into my village in the middle of a January night - it was a fullish moon - and there was a huge Red Deer stag standing in the road blocking the lane - it saw my headlights as a challenge - and stood solid - it felt like it was not going to let me past - this wonderful creature was massive - with the moon light reflecting off the fur on his antlers - i could see the steam pouring out of his nostrils - i dipped my lights down to hopefully remove the threat - he stood firm looking at me for probably twenty seconds further - though it felt a lot longer  - I suspect he then got bored - he did a big snort and then leaped magnificently and gracefully away off the road into the woods... 

Sorry I just can't see either Trump or Farage in that light... despite my respect for them as politicians in their own ways

Ok...A startled rabbit.

G

yep fair do's 

Simon-in-Suffolk posted:

It may be, but I suspect not. The feelings of betrayal I think will be if he doesn't deliver on his key in office commitments by   the end of his term.. the world isn't black and white.. hustings and passions are rarely taken as outright policies, more often they are a metaphor for a way of thinking as the real world is complicated.. that's what I suspect most align to or not as the case may be. I think people are more intelligent than some like to think they are, especially when those people are rallying to a cause that they don't subscribe to... I certainly didn't  take project fear literally in the UK, and the evidence suggests perhaps nor did many, and true enough it appears to have been largely not the case.. but was really a metaphor of better the devil you know and some FUD thrown in... I guess for many that just was not good enough anymore.

What I do find so suprising is how it appears the Libereal Metropolitans in the US are challenging democracy... that just seems to be so ironic.. I guess the same happened here as well after the June reffereundem.. perhaps the liberals have had their way for too long, and unlike others find it hard to accept political defeat.

It would be good if the electorate were as sophisticated in their thinking and expectations of politicians as you describe, Simon, but I suspect there were many in the USA who voted for Trump on the crude assertion that he would keep Mexicans and Muslims out for the country, rather as some in the UK voted Brexit in the belief that HMG would then be able to stop the sort of immigrants that they don't like.   I must say that I find it rather distasteful that some politicians play on this and seem to have no shame during election/referendum campaigns in spouting untruths and making promises they have no intention of keeping.  But then maybe my expectations of integrity and honesty are naive these days. 

I think expectation of integrity and honesty has been a theme going right back through the ages through various religious, feudal and political institutions ..but yes interesting points.. certainly the history of Britain and then of the United Kingdom is full of twists and turns.

It seems there is as much talk around Trump of reflecting democracy in action and doing its thing, as there was here post Brexit. It appears though that many people feel democracy shouldn't be extended to protest voters, the simple minded or those that 'just find the world is so confusing these days...'

Unfortunately expecting politicians to have honesty and integrity is possibly as remote as finding out Donald and Hilary have a love child....

wenger2015 posted:

Unfortunately expecting politicians to have honesty and integrity is possibly as remote as finding out Donald and Hilary have a love child....

Ah, been grabbed has she?

dayjay posted:

wenger2015 posted:

Unfortunately expecting politicians to have honesty and integrity is possibly as remote as finding out Donald and Hilary have a love child....

Ah, been grabbed has she?

I wonder if it's Nigel farage?  

JamieWednesday posted:

It seems there is as much talk around Trump of reflecting democracy in action and doing its thing, as there was here post Brexit. It appears though that many people feel democracy shouldn't be extended to protest voters, the simple minded or those that 'just find the world is so confusing these days...'

interesting... i don't know whether its possible to divorce elections from 'protest voting' -- i.e. we are fed up with current govt. etc. "one-man-one-vote" is simplest approach, but raises all sorts of difficult questions about whether and how we can be sure that a voter is "qualified" to vote without demonstrating some understanding of the "fuller implications". But we are basically self-centric, and we will vote for someone who is nearest to fulfilling our personal interests, views, attitudes etc, without really worrying too much about the 'bigger picture'.

enjoy

ken

Here's a liberal who puts forth food for thought - in fact we've seen a good bit of what he's talking about right here on the forum:

Warning: strong language/NSFW

And we can already see the neocon war-hawks lining up to fill the Trump cabinet. Oh he'll have a couple of pliable right-wing celeb-tard picks (e.g., Giuliani, Christie, Palin are all possibilities) but the heavy lifting will still be done by the Deep State. Count on a total hawks in the Secretaries of State and Defense - so the CEOs of Boeing, Lockheed, et al can all sleep soundly on their profits, and the killing can continue unabated, and maybe we can even get WW III started and take it nuclear.

And actually, the left should be pleased, because the Greater Recession is on its way, might even qualify as a Depression. Even if Trump were to do things right (which he of course won't) it is inevitable. There is WAY too much borrowed money out there at artificially low interest rates, and a lot of it is not going to get paid back.

So things will get economically dicey, and the pendulum will swing the other way. Or apparently swing the other way, because there is one other thing you can pretty much count on in US politics any more: Foreign Policy and Fiscal/Monetary Policy NEVER change. What is coming will be the greatest transfer of wealth to the top 1-5% ever. And neither party will stop it, because both parties facilitate it completely.

And murder will continue...all under the guise of "spreading democracy", but in reality to benefit the multinationals and the Deep State.

DrMark posted:

Here's a liberal who puts forth food for thought - in fact we've seen a good bit of what he's talking about right here on the forum:

Warning: strong language/NSFW

Enjoyed that. Funny but also speaking some hard truths e.g. to the left: 'be a better candidate!' and the corrosive impact of political correctness.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news...tId=MTA0MTAzNTI2MwS2

I'm really sacred. Not for myself, but for the wellbeing of the many people who are to be targeted by this vile and racist incoming administration. This is not the time to be silent.

winkyincanada posted:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news...tId=MTA0MTAzNTI2MwS2

I'm really sacred. Not for myself, but for the wellbeing of the many people who are to be targeted by this vile and racist incoming administration. This is not the time to be silent.

I couldn't agree more.

Heaven help us if Sarah Palin and others in the 'T' party are invited to join!

winkyincanada posted:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news...tId=MTA0MTAzNTI2MwS2

I'm really sacred. Not for myself, but for the wellbeing of the many people who are to be targeted by this vile and racist incoming administration. This is not the time to be silent.

The Trump voters allegedly voted for change.  The change that is coming probably isn't what they envisioned.  

winkyincanada posted:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news...tId=MTA0MTAzNTI2MwS2

I'm really sacred. Not for myself, but for the wellbeing of the many people who are to be targeted by this vile and racist incoming administration. This is not the time to be silent.

That's obviously a typo. Whilst I'd like to "sacred", I'm really just scared.

One thing that puzzles me about Mr Trump,  he's going to be the most powerful man on the planet, he's possibly one of the richest, he spends time with a team of highly intelligent educated advisors...and no doubt has many friends in high places .....

why oh why can he not find a decent hairdressers......?