Lp12 trampoline

my LP12 has been without a trampoline for 15 years, its the only way, 4 x 3m feet aro armageddon = best TT on planet.

Have you ever tried a base on it ...just out of interest... appreciate you love it like it is ..me too ...and agree about the geddon too 

Mine still has the original 1989 hardboard. Sounds fab!

I much prefer the Trampolin 2 - especially the version with an Urika attached to it  

Chris Dolan posted:

I much prefer the Trampolin 2 - especially the version with an Urika & Chord Super Sarum Aray cables attached to it  

Thanks for the replies but not really what I was asking ...��

Well Japtim, I think we're saying that we don't agree with your premise that 'any sort of base' has a deleterious effect on the sound. If you have theright support for the deck the Trampolinn becomes somewhat redundant. 

naim_nymph posted:

Chris Dolan posted:

I much prefer the Trampolin 2 - especially the version with an Urika & Chord Super Sarum Aray cables attached to it  

Indeed so 

Yes I can understand redundant from a support point of view ..but does it " seem" to close in the sound to any one else please

Have you put the hardboard back? My understanding is that the metal base board is the best board to have (because of its stiffness) combined with the standard feet, provided you run the deck on stiff, light support. (My dealer suggested that no base board is the very best of all. That's not going to be me).

Chris

my very well-known dealer just put a Trampolin on my deck and it sounds fab. (oh yeah, he also installed a Radikal.)

joe9407 posted:

my very well-known dealer just put a Trampolin on my deck and it sounds fab. (oh yeah, he also installed a Radikal.)

Same here in terms of Radikal. With so much under the deck I wouldn't dream of usiing mine without the base board so  My LP12 is staying fully dressed with its Tramolin two. AC motors and open access to a significant voltage suggest to me that a cover should be in place although this isn't a problem with the DC Radikal.

The (first) point made by Chris is that if you use a Urika phono stage, there's no choice regarding the base as the Urika is physically attached to the Trampolin. So long as the turntable is appropriately supported, any effect of the Trampolin is largely irrelevant and besides it's a small price to pay for the benefits of the Urika which seems to be a tremendous phono stage for the money.

Although I have a preference for the Trampolin - the surface and support is very important, and the Tiger Paw Vulkan does seem to be one of the best.

Others still swear by Mana supports and the use of harder "feet" on the LP12 and no base board - and some won't depart from pure Linn.

Use it how you like it best - and have fun 

Yup, at Naim it was a popular mod with the Armageddon to remove the base board cut off little corner pieces and then fit CDS metal feet.  Thanks to the wood plinth surround and zero tolerance on the feet you usually had to spend quite a while shimming the feet so they sat perfectly with absolutely no rocking - it made all the difference though.

Christopher_M posted:

Have you put the hardboard back? My understanding is that the metal base board is the best board to have (because of its stiffness) combined with the standard feet, provided you run the deck on stiff, light support. (My dealer suggested that no base board is the very best of all. That's not going to be me).

Chris

Thanks Chris and all the others who have replied ..it's definitely Not as cut and dried as a fit it or don't fit it ..for the best sound

I can only say that on my two decks ..one aro and geddon ..the other ittok and Hercules ..on light rigid supports .. they both (to my ears) sound considerably more open and fluid with no base at all ..and I have tried

Early hard board type

Later Formica 

Alloy tramp

Perspex (pls don't waste your time)

All with a variety of different feet ..so perhaps you can now see why I'm interested in others experiences

Cheers all

 P's thanks Chris m for that last bit

Thank you. I've always been a bit puzzled by the Trampolin.....  I mean springs upon springs, what's that about? 

Maybe if you had to put your Linn on a heavy sideboard or something....

C.

I'm also of the option that more than the baseboard is what the whole deck sits on. I have an old cottage with creaky floors so unless it's on a wall mount -  Vulcan in my case no matter what the base, heavy sideboard or what the whole thing would dance around at every footfall. 

Trampoline 2 correctly installed improve music LP12 10/10  !

^   Please tell us what it sits on so that those members that might want to understand 'the problem' can do so!

C.

Alto posted:

Trampoline 2 correctly installed improve music LP12 10/10  !

I think that is a bit of a generalisation Alto ..it certainly does not reflect my experience with it ..

Chris m ..I agree that on something like a heavy sideboard or springy floor the extra isolation it offers is an advantage

I forgot to say .. before I bought my valkan I had a deck briefly on the top shelf of my fraim ..and what a pain that was ..it sounded great as long as I didn't move and no one came into the room ..then the stylus would do a dance ..but i didn't have a tramp on it then , which might have helped and maybe I could have put up with the reduction in SQ

Tim

Sorry not to share the same opinion.
I know lp12 for almost 40 years and many of the other bridges, every evolution lp12 are an improvement on the pleasure of the music. With trampoline the feet are screwed in the limit, LP 12 Installed very vertically without any side constraint for the flexibility of the membranes of support (of assistance) feet.
Trampoline2 unfolds the music beyond the small feet usually supply on lp12.

Regards

Alto posted:

Sorry not to share the same opinion.
I know lp12 for almost 40 years and many of the other bridges, every evolution lp12 are an improvement on the pleasure of the music. With trampoline the feet are screwed in the limit, LP 12 Installed very vertically without any side constraint for the flexibility of the membranes of support (of assistance) feet.
Trampoline2 unfolds the music beyond the small feet usually supply on lp12.

Regards

What's your LP12 standing ON?

C.

I use a copy Audiotech;  I tried on tray and tripod support Soundstyle, heavy Sideboard; Table Sound-Organisation.  Standings adjusted horizontally.

Remember, the Trampolin 2 is dampened, so this will reduce airborne waves affecting the internals and direct them into the plinth, which is isolated from the platter. Without the Trampolin, the waves will not only affect the plinth more via direct contact, they will transmit them from the rack baseboard up into the internals.