Connecting two HiCaps to a NAC282 - a curiosity.

Posted by: Massimo Bertola on 11 November 2016

Just out of curiosity: if one is using a second HCDR on a 282, how does one connect both to one 250? Just one output socket must be used of course, but would it be indifferent which one? Wouldn't one of the two HiCaps be left orphan of its proper ground/signal return?

Thanks for an explanation,

M

Posted on: 11 November 2016 by hungryhalibut

You just connect the 'first' hicap to the 250. This one handles the signal. The 'second' hicap just provides more power. The other advice I'd give is don't bother. When I had an 82 I bought a second hicap and the difference was marginal at best. The money is far better spent towards an XPS for the CD player. 

Posted on: 11 November 2016 by sheffieldgraham

I agree with HH. 2xH.Caps on a 282 isn't worth the cost. A S.Cap certainly is. I've tried both.

Here's link to the connections guide for connecting 2XH.Caps to a 250. It's on page 13.

https://www.naimaudio.com/site...ation%20Rev%202C.pdf

The 4 pin DIN(socket 3) nearest to the incoming signal from the 282 ( socket 4)should be linked to the 250. This applies to all PSU config.s

Posted on: 11 November 2016 by Massimo Bertola

Thanks to both. It was actually just a curiosity. Then, looking at the rear panel of the SC I verified what I thought, and HH wrote: the 'second' 5-pin socket of the Supercap is only wired for 24V and not for receiving the signal so I assume that the Upgrade 2 socket of the 282 is also only wired for 24V, and doesn't output any signal. As for buying anything, I am vetoed, as someone here knows.. 

Posted on: 11 November 2016 by joe9407

hiya Max, writing this from Milano, actually -- so buonaserra! (on a well-timed vacanza from New York City, given current events.)

for a variety of reasons that are far too boring to detail here, i ended up with a 2nd Hicap, which i dutifully connected to my 282 -- and heard very little difference, if any.

that said, i'd encourage you to do the experiment and report back here!

all the best,

joe

Posted on: 11 November 2016 by james n

You're right Max - you do muck up the Naim signal grounding scheme when you do this, so some of the benefits of the extra 2 power rails provided by the second Hicap are lost. The Supercap works very well with the 282 and provides a nice stepping stone to a 252 (if you like what a 252 does). 

James

Posted on: 12 November 2016 by Massimo Bertola

Joe, James – thanks for your impressions. I'll be able to hear a 252/SC preamp soon. I hope I will not like it too much. I am happy with my 282/HCDR now, but we all know how long does audio happiness last.

Joe, enjoy Milano. In the end, I only walk the same few streets on my way from the Metro to the Conservatorio, but it's an interesting city, mixing the liveliness of Italy with some of the 'grandeur' of Europe. Somehow you have to be born a Milanese to fully appreciate it, but I suppose that this sort of 'neighbourhood provincialism' is peculiar to everywhere and everyone, and hopefully the 'current events' are not a signal of a 'relapse' of exasperated localism on a planetary scale..

Best

Max

Posted on: 12 November 2016 by hungryhalibut

But before even thinking of a 252, you need to get that CDS3 back..... 

Posted on: 12 November 2016 by rsch
Massimo Bertola posted:

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Joe, enjoy Milano. In the end, I only walk the same few streets on my way from the Metro to the Conservatorio, but it's an interesting city, mixing the liveliness of Italy with some of the 'grandeur' of Europe. Somehow you have to be born a Milanese to fully appreciate it, but I suppose that this sort of 'neighbourhood provincialism' is peculiar to everywhere and everyone, and hopefully the 'current events' are not a signal of a 'relapse' of exasperated localism on a planetary scale..

Best

Max

Hi Massimo,

I don't want to be controversial and this not the right place to talk about it but Milan is probably on of the worst  cities to live, and this is said from a native. For such a pretentious city, these days, you struggle to find a decent record or book shop. 

@  Joe,

I' d suggest you a digression to Como & Lake Como

Regards

Roberto

Posted on: 12 November 2016 by Allante93

Love sitting on the side lines soaking up information. 

I took the advice of Richard and the Forum, and decided not to invest in a third party Snaic.

My 5 pin 240 degree original Naim Snaic, with original packaging should be arriving Friday.

But just to be perfectly clear, the above Snake, sends power to the 282, from the SC.

Also, sends THE signal from the 282, to the SC.

With my HCDR, only one Snake, but with the soon to be SCDR, two Snakes, which Snaic is dedicated to send the signal from the SCDR ?

 

Please correct me, if my understanding is not on point.

Thanks in Advance!

Allante93!

Posted on: 12 November 2016 by james n

You are right Allante93 - you have one Snaic5 at the moment which supplies power to the 282 and takes the audio signal through the Hicap and out to the power amp. When you replace the Hicap with a Supercap, the Snaic5 carrying the signal and power is connected to the same socket on the 282 you used with the Hicap (labelled output and psu on the 282 and now connected to Power and Audio on the Supercap). You have an additional Snaic 5 from the Supercap (labelled Power and Inputs) to  the upgrade 2 socket on the 282. This Snaic5 carries power only. When running these two Snaics, keep them close together (they should naturally follow this path as the connections are close to together on the Supercap and 282).

Hope that helps

James

Posted on: 12 November 2016 by Massimo Bertola

Slightly off topic - Roberto, record stores and Bookstores are undergoing different fates I believe; on 'brick and mortar' record stores disappearing much has been written: I started finding pages on this on Stereophile years ago. It is not a problem specific to Milano, unfortunately. As for bookstores, I couldn't say about Milano, but having seen Powell's, in Portland, OR, I am confident that people somewhere still prefer to spend hours in a physical place than at the Mac, on Amazon – if they have the time, and the place.

M

Posted on: 12 November 2016 by yeti42

if you cross the snaics on a sc no sound will come from the system, guess how I know this.

Posted on: 12 November 2016 by rsch

Massimo,

Records & books areonly an example but is also true for other genres of goods where globalization killed traditional shops and mid range products. We have now pretty much "very cheap" or high end products but precious little in the middle. Oh!  and what about the death of fine furniture shops, antiques etc. in favour of beauty centres, pubs, restaurants and the likes ?

Regards

Roberto

Posted on: 12 November 2016 by DrMark

As a NYC native, Milano feels very much like NYC to me when I walk around there. I described it to my friends as "Manhattan boutique shops in Brooklyn sized buildings." Has similar "dirtiness" as NY as well...especially around Milano Centrale. It just feels very familiar to me.

When I was in Milano 3 years ago, then went to Roma and returned to Milano, I felt like I had sort of left Italy. But Milano has that big city vibe & energy that in many ways I like.

If you are on Corso Buenos Aires, stop in at Cafe Cinque Stelle for a light repast; wonderful people in a little family run business. Note - it is tiny - if you blink you'll miss it.  You can tell Pasquale, Sonia, and Veronica that "Marco the chitarrista di Stati Uniti" said "ciao."  And it is almost right across the street from a La Feltrinelli (although the one in the Galleria is better.)

Oh, sorry, this thread is about HCs and 282s.

Posted on: 12 November 2016 by Massimo Bertola
Hungryhalibut posted:

But before even thinking of a 252, you need to get that CDS3 back..... 

No plans in either direction so far...

Posted on: 12 November 2016 by Massimo Bertola

Mark,

ok, I'll stop and say hallo next week...

M

Posted on: 13 November 2016 by rsch

I work in the Buenos Aires area but i confess i  never noticed that Cafe

Regards

Roberto