A couple of questions (Nait 2, Uniti, Nap 200)

Posted by: Lewis on 18 November 2016

Evening gents, it's been a while.

Bit of a story here so grab your cup of tea  So over the past few months i've been testing out various Naim components and chopping and changing bits around.  I still have my SBL's, UnitiQute, Nap 100, Hi-Cap (CB), Nac 32.5 (CB), and LP12 / Lingo Mk1.  I recently picked up a lovely mint Nait 2 (CB) and have been using that lately with my UQ as a source.  The sound from it is just incredible.  I am amazed with both the volume it reaches and the clarity.  Love the thing.  It's a keeper.  

Anyway, I also bought a Powerline last week as it came up at a good price.  I have always been skeptical about expensive power cables as i've tried them in the past and they just haven't worked.  The PL is really well made and a lovely thing (despite being a boring cable!)  Bottom line is I can definitely notice an improvement in the sound.  It's not night and day, but I find it opens the soundstage and gives a tad more detail and clarity.  It was quite noticeable even in my modest system.

I also bought a Fraimlite, again I got a bargain so couldn't resist.  I wanted to set my system up on some shelves rather than have it contained in my sideboard as the boxes are mounting up.  Also one thing I will say with the Fraim/Fraimlite, they seem less intrusive than Isoblue which I had in the past and previously sold, as it seemed to take up too much room in the spot I had it.  I only have three shelves so I am doing a bit of chopping and changing and may try a few other components.  So now you have an overview here are the questions.

1. If I buy a Uniti to replace the UQ, will it still have the same functionality in terms of being able to plug in a power amp to boost the power same as I can do with my UQ? And can I use it as a source to the Nait 2 in the same way as I do with the UQ (I use the pre-amp out to aux on the back of the Nait 2 currently).

2. Would a newer black Nap 200 power the Uniti in the same way as a Nap 100 powers the Qute?  I was thinking of swapping the 100 for a 200 you see, and sitting it on the bottom shelf of the Fraimlite.

3. If I sent the Nait 2 to Naim, could they service it to renew the power cable and install a powerline instead?

 

I will stick a photo or two up of the new configuration tomorrow, thanks gents.

Posted on: 18 November 2016 by Lewis

Actually here are some bad quality pics now:

 (btw I have a long cable running from teh UQ to the Nait 2 which is sitting on the sideboard and powering the speaker currently)

Testing the PL (I also have a nap 135 mono amp but the other has gone awol in the post so waiting on that still - tedious) another pair to test and decide to keep or sell on...

[IMG]http://i56.photobucket.com/alb...2C8E_zps86gekoma.jpg[/IMG]

 

 

More reshuffling, the PL plug is too massive to sit by the fraim pillar so has to be moved to the other side:

 

The 'classic' look (took this last week before I moved the UQ to the second shelf) if my other amp arrives it will go on top of the other until I get another shelf:

 

 

Poor quality pic of the room and one of the LP12, I will take some nicer ones tomorrow.  Also excuse the laptop cable on the right ruining the Chi of the room!

 

 

Sondek:

 

Posted on: 20 November 2016 by Lewis

Does anyone know?

Posted on: 20 November 2016 by varyat

Can't help you with the Unity questions..I do have a UQ2 which does the job at our vacation bungalow- it is used "bare" and mostly for background music.

I can comment on your other bits though...they look fantastic! The Sondek is a beauty and sits well on your FraimLite. My main reason for replying is the 135's though...these are wonderful amplifiers. Probably all one "needs" in the scheme of things. Do find the one that has gone missing and have them serviced- you will be floored at what they bring . 

I am currently going through a nostalgic phase and have removed my 552/500 from the Fraim and replaced with a 52/135  into n-Sats/n-Sub. What a treat... Will enjoy for a while .

ATB,

Mark

Posted on: 20 November 2016 by hungryhalibut

All you need to do is look at the product pages on the website and you will find the answers.

If you cannot be bothered, the answer to 1 is yes and yes. The answer to 2 is yes. The answer to 3 is to ask Naim, though the answer will be doubtless be no. If you want to try it you could replace the Nait's mains plug with an iec socket and plug the Powerline into it.  

It might be best to stop buying random stuff and concentrate on getting a coherent setup and just enjoying it. You have a lovely turntable and speakers, now just get the middle sorted out and stick with it.

 

Posted on: 20 November 2016 by Christopher_M

Q3. Yes, yes, no.

C.

Posted on: 21 November 2016 by Solid Air

I agree with HH - read the website.

It isn't clear to me (or perhaps to you) where you want to end up with all this. From your own description, you seem quite impulsive about hi fi, buying 'deals' rather than having a plan, which is fine, but you may end up with an unbalanced system as a result. I would spend some time working out what you want (and listening to some options) and how much you have to spend, and then make a decision based on that.

Posted on: 21 November 2016 by Emre

if you figure out how to put pictures on this forum you can figure out everything nice pictures

Posted on: 21 November 2016 by Ian Brown

I love photos and the randomness of it - I'm not sure how you can really plan other than to post/read the forum (and that gets a bit dull after a while).  Here's a guy who's out there actually buying gear and listening to music and posting great pictures.  I'd say keep it up and tell us what you find.

Posted on: 21 November 2016 by Ardbeg10y

@IAN: Hear hear.

Every odd purchase (read: deal) is a potential start for a second / third system.

For the tweakers amongst us, it is great fun to try the odd combinations. One could be surprised ...

Posted on: 21 November 2016 by Lewis

Thank you to those of you who answered my questions rather than criticise, and thank you to those who did both but still answered my question  

Actually, most of the system you see has been long term and I enjoy it daily for the record.  However, I simply like to tweak things occasionally and try out different components.  Are you telling me you've never had the urge to upgrade?

My reasoning is simple;

I've had my Qute for some time but I do on occasion miss my CDP, hence the thought of a Uniti.  

I bought the Fraim because I had to reshuffle things and required some more space for the components.  

The 135s, well, while I still wait on delivery of the second one, if it eventually turns up I shall get to test it out, however, the reason I bought those is because I've had mono amps in the past and was amazed by their performance and I've always been curious to know what they could extract from SBL's (which I must note are amazing even through the little Nait). I love Naim equipment and love to try out different things, I didn't expect to come under fire for such things!

Surely it would be boring to buy one hifi system and stick with it your whole life, how on earth do you know what you're missing otherwise  

 

Posted on: 21 November 2016 by hungryhalibut

To me, upgrading on a thought out path is different trying out different things just because they appear and look interesting. Everyone is different of course, and some people like fiddling about. I can see the 135s with the 32.5 and Hicap being fantastic with the Linn and SBLs. But I don't see how the idea of a Nait and a 100 or 200 fit in, unless for a second system. I also struggle with the idea of a Uniti as just a source, when so much of it is sitting idle. I don't see Naim boxes as things to love and to collect, rather as a means to an end, rather like a washing machine to wash the clothes. But that's just me. 

Posted on: 21 November 2016 by Solid Air

Not just you, HH. 

For me, the passion and the romance is in the music. Hi fi is just a means to an end - the end being really well-reproduced music that makes my foot tap and my heart sing. 

I have no real interest in the kit per se. If I could get a wonderful musical experience without the kit, I'd be quite happy. For me, all other things being equal, simpler is always better, hence my answer: work out what will make the music you love sound the best within the budget you have, and buy that. 

Posted on: 21 November 2016 by Christopher_M

Fine, except that some people who enjoy our hobby love dabbling in the kit. Different strokes etc.

C.

Posted on: 21 November 2016 by Solid Air

Sure, each to their own of course. Life's rich tapestry. Just explaining my perspective. 

Posted on: 21 November 2016 by Ardbeg10y

Regarding musical experience ...

My most intense musical experience was about 2 years ago when my by then 7 yr old son played the Preludio in C - Wohl Temperiertes Klavier I - Bach. He made some mistakes, but who cares. It was played on my Schimmel 130T piano.

Could this sound ever be reproduced on hifi - up to lets say GBP 10.000?

Currently, there is a massive gap between my hifi and a single chord played on the piano.

I know, I know, I should upgrade source / speakers / get rid of my Supernait etc ... but could this ultimately result in the same timbre as a cello, the clarity of a flute, the majesty of a well played chuch organ, the touching sound of a piano? Could the queen-of-the-night really be in my livingroom?

This is for me the root cause of upgraditis.

Posted on: 21 November 2016 by Ian Brown

You have 57,000 points on this forum HH and yet claim that the gear is no different to you than your washing machine?  

(If so you must have one heck of a presence on the Maytag forum)

Posted on: 22 November 2016 by Lewis

Ha, I do see the others points of view, however, I just enjoy the equipment side of things as well mainly because it creates such great music which in turn provides endless enjoyment, therefore I can't help but feel an affinity to the electronics.  I almost feel sorry for you if you put Hifi in the same category as a dull device like a washing machine which provides zero entertainment.  Yes, it's a practical device but it provides you with no joy whatsoever?  I think you should wash out your mouth out with soap!

The Nait 2 will be a keeper for an eventual second system.  The Uniti / Unitiqute, yes, perhaps these are 'wasted' as sources, but their ability to operate alone as well as within part of a system makes them uniquely versatile.  I can't think of a better option off the top off my head that would provide a streamer and CDP in one (and be a Naim component)?  The NDX is very similar to the Qute is it not, just more expensive and not capable of driving loudspeakers without additional amplification?

I appreciate the logic behind a well thought out upgrade path, but I already have the essentials and am merely tweaking it here and there.  I enjoy doing so

Posted on: 22 November 2016 by NickSeattle

Hi Lewis.

I have my main system connected by line-level wires to a UQ2 in zone 2.  The zone 1 NDX/555/552 sounds better through the UQ2 than its on-board sources - I think most would agree.  Never tried it the other way around, though.

Nick

Posted on: 24 November 2016 by Lewis

Thanks Nick.  I will do some more experimenting with mine, it's certainly a very versatile little unit(i)

Posted on: 29 November 2016 by Yetizone

Hi Lewis. Some interesting pieces of equipment there - beautifully photographed as always! I think the 32.5, Hi-Cap and NAP 250 look stunning. I do have great affection for the chrome bumper units. Did the second 135 turn up?

Just curious, have you tried your UnitiQute with the CB NAP 250, and if so how well did they work together?

Posted on: 29 November 2016 by hungryhalibut

I think the '250' is the first 135...

Posted on: 29 November 2016 by Yetizone

Ah, then my mistake

Posted on: 29 November 2016 by Lewis

Hi gents, no sign of the other 135 sadly.  See my post in the 'please be on the look out' thread.  So angry....!  Still, it could be worse.  Reading of the other chaps plight makes me feel terribly sad for the guy.  What is the world coming to?

I have since found a 250 instead and it does sound well with the SBL's.  Perhaps not as much thump as the 135 but I will try to buy another set if a pair become available on the used market.  

Posted on: 29 November 2016 by Yetizone

Very sorry to hear the second NAP 135 is still missing. I do hope there is some success in dealing with ParcelForce when trying to locate the item, or at the very least, reclaiming the financial loss for both parties. Dreadful. 

Although I have not had items go missing, I have had an amplifier severely damaged by ParcelForce, the situation compounded by the endless paperwork to fight for recompense. Infuriating doesn’t come close to describing the process (at the time, may well be easier now). Good luck with dealing with it all.